Manuel Torres, 51, worked as a deputy for the Lee County Sheriff for five years when his boss asked him to train a female deputy in July 2017. Torres requested a religious accommodation, the suit alleges, saying he “holds the strong and sincere religious belief that the Holy Bible prohibits him, as a married man, from being alone for extended periods with a female who is not his wife.”
Torres, a Baptist who serves as a deacon at his local church, said in the suit that training his colleague would leave the appearance of “sinful conduct.” The complaint alleges after Torres made his accommodation request, the sergeant “alternately granted and denied” him and that his superiors expressed their “anger” over his religious beliefs.
Two months later, on September 11, Torres was fired. He claims months later the Lee County Sheriff’s Office provided false and negative referrals to prospective employers to two different police departments following his dismissal. In one instance, Torres said a prospective employer rescinded their already extended offer after speaking with the sheriff’s office.Now a federal court will decide if the case,, amounts to discrimination.
The Billy Graham Rule, popularized by the eponymous Evangelical pastor who followed the practice, has faced renewed attention since it was reported that Vice President Mike Pence follows it. In July, Mississippi Today reporter Larrison Campbell said Republican gubernatorial candidate Robert Foster
Well then maybe he should change jobs....say a .... well ya know I can’t think of a job where you only spend your day with guys. Women are everywhere! Get over it buddy.
This headline was so stupid I needed to read the article for myself. The Bible in no way backs him up. Where I live, a few years back a woman was fired for being too attractive because the dentist didn't think he could stay faithful to his wife. She sued and lost the case.
Sure seems like he should be fired for not doing his job. Being unwilling to train a female officer is dereliction of duty. Religious freedom is a stupid defense for his stupid position.
If he can’t perform his job because of it, he should be fired.
Good. We have religious freedom not the freedom to use religion as a cudgel for discrimination.
That’s INSANE. How can you make a ‘RULE’ based SOLELY ON A BELIEF? Who, but an EXTREMELY Incredulous person would Do That. A ‘BELIEF’ Is Not Fact! FACT IS FACT! To say, “I BELIEVE” is the same thing as saying, “I DON’T KNOW.” It APPEARS Religionists have SERIOUS MENTAL ISSUES!
when will the women who aren't the wives of american talibani learn that they can't just go interacting with men in their professional lives...just all willy-nilly
Good I hope he never gets a job where any women work, unless its a woman as his boss
Then resign and find another job
Guess he was afraid his poor little dick would just pop out of his pants and find its own way into the colleague. Hard to control those things, right?
and where in state law (or anywhere else for that matter) is the Billy Graham rule?
this is his right under the 1stAmendment but maaaan does it bring out the bigotry in the wacky fringe that hates both Christianity and the Constitution!
I was told that there is a new similar rule: 'The Pool Boy Rule'; it has something to do with the wives of christian leaders. Can someone explain?
Man, I don’t personally follow that rule, but are people really going to give this man crap for trying to be a decent human being? If it works for him, who are we to judge?
'Cherry-Picked Bible: All verses Christians do not want to follow have been admitted. Get yours today so you can eat shellfish, get tattoos, control women, and as a bonus, we've added anti gay verses Jesus never said!!'
This “rule” isn’t in the Bible per se. Billy Graham said it was, and since then, prejudice and bigotry against women by “religious” men has garnered a sheen of acceptance. Don’t let him win.
It’s the same mentality some men used in the past regarding raping a woman who wears revealing clothing, they “couldn’t help themselves.” If you cannot show restraint you definitely shouldn’t be a police officer anyway.
Slippery slope. Because he sees women as sex objects & can't control his sexual urges has NOTHING to do with Jesus. Jesus allowed a prostitute to wash his feet with her tears, & this idiot can't train a woman to become an officer? He is NOT fit for the job.
No one can mock morality without insulting themselves. He obviously is more loyal than others. He already interacted w/ other females, protected& served females. Quite easy to accommodate extended period issue not as if he was only officer available to train.. Franklin_Graham
The Handmaids Tale meets NYPD Blue
Who needs Sharia law when you have evangelicals to do it for you
MSNBC we always say leave so, and so alone, cause there not here to defend themselves, how about we leave Rev Billy Ghram Out of this
Hay now we should leave now in heaven Rev ghram out of this Ad for being fired, was this a job matter, a under cover job, why was he ordered to.
There should be zero protections for the bullshit “Billy Graham Rule.” If you’re a married man who believes the Holy Bible prohibits you from being alone for extended periods with women you’re not married to, you’re not employable. Go be a catholic priest.
or 'Jealous Wife Rule'
If he didn’t want to interact with women he should have been a monk not a cop.🤷♂️
Cult behavior was not rewarded. Bravo.
Also, know as the 'I know I have no self control' rule. Because a 2000 year old book said so
So in this world women I guess should be limited to housework and raising kids because men can’t be trusted? This is why religion is stupid. See also Saudi Arabia.
When on duty there is no religion or personal belief only the law.
Oh my, another Pence. Um your are an adult, the woman you have to train is an adult. You both are working. So that means man up, be professional and do your JOB. If you can't handle dealing with being around other women cause you think something may happen.Then you r, A Weak man!
Good. If he cannot do his job he should be fired. If these men choose to live by a strict religious doctrine then they should not apply for jobs which require gender interaction.
And then promptly falls afowl of common decency world wide of his own making
🤦♀️ ffs
It’s more for his protection with this metoo bullshit going on.
The Billy Graham rule. What a crock. That kind of nonsense is nothing more than Xtian Sharia. Oh, those women, they’ll tempt you so don’t be alone with them. Screw that. Grow up. It’s USA & 2019 not the 1600’s...or any other date these loons pull that crap.
Slippery slope. Because he sees women as sex objects & can't control his sexual urges has NOTHING to do with Jesus. Jesus allowed a prostitute to wash his feet with her tears, & this idiot can't train a women to become an officer? He is NOT fit for the job.
If he is that kind of a religious person, why in the world did he become a police officer, which may require him to shoot and kill someone to protect lives? If he thinks killing is okay according to his religious beliefs, then he has no right to argue against his firing.
Freaks! Can they not control those lustful urges?
Wut
Better known as “The ✝️🐃💩 Rule” or “The Icey Mike Pence Rule” misogyny puketriarchy
Are these people brain damaged? Seriously what is wrong with these idiots. I'm so sick of their moronic bullshit. EVOLVE... it's not the Bronze Age, or try GROWING UP. Infantile beliefs like the Tooth Fairy or God needs to go.
He don’t look happy he look mad 😂😂😂😂😂
Smart man!
Fire his ass!
Religious reasons? I’m sure God would approve of his discrimination! NOT!
The Billy Graham rule, what?
Jehovah’s knowledge has become brighter through time, now ever brighter seen what long ago was said about false faith leaders becoming easily exposed for their decitful deeds, . people & sects hated Jesus & so do they Jehovah’s faifthful for exposing false ones misleading!
What, he was afraid he might get tempted and rape her? Maybe he should make her wear a burka
Sounds more like that cop is trying to force his employer to accommodate him for a disability (not able to work with a woman) that exists only in his imagination.
Is it just me or do allot of these Evangelical types have some seriously screwed up sexual issues...
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Cool. Just locate the line in the Bible about that and you can claim it.
Uh Oh..this police officers wife better keep her eyes wide open..her husband is a dog sniffin butts and trying to trick her and everybody else.
I guess I should be fired because how can you arrest a woman.
W...t...f...
So he has issues with half the population of the earth and somehow that’s other people’s problem.
Idiot
What happened to our supposed freedom of religion rulings, it only applies if it involves judging and condemning others which we love to do?
As to religion..... “To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?” ― Christopher Hitchens As to Billy Graham....
AlanLunin This has been a
What a saint....
He should be fired. A part of his job is to train others. If he refuses to execute a basic element of his job he should be canned. Simple rules of employment.
This is stupid schit
if you can not obey and enforce the rules of law in this country, you can not be a police officer, and I don't know of a church that would want a lawless audience
As well he should.
Since he is referring to another police officer, then he deserved to be fired. She could say it is sexual discrimination. He is an asshole.
Damn you religion! opiumforthemasses
He should sue. As too many women are accusing men of to many things. He has to protect his self after all...
Klans-speak. The Family moves in.
The way evangelicals are embracing sharia law is terrifying.
How misogynistic; it assumes any woman alone with man is just waiting and ready to participate and it is up to him if and when. How insulting to women...
Because morals are something no officer can have...
Can't do his job then, he must be terminated!
This is normal I will train her, and treat her with the same respect I train the men. This is Insane I refuse to spend extended time with a woman who isn't my wife. 'Proof that The Large Hadron Collider screwed up our world.' Only explanation!
It seems like someone wants some cash 💰
This cop carried his so called religion too far.
I don't think that he has a leg to stand on .
WTF?
If training other people is part of his job, and he can't do it, it should be case closed.
Billy Graham didn’t make the laws of the USA. The Constitution did that.
time with a woman who isn’t his wife You mean: -time ALONE with a woman who isn’t his wife- It sounds like you have an agenda to discredit the CHRISTIAN men and women that do not want to be with people that could easily blackmail them. - You are fake news.
So he doesn’t arrest women and take them to the station in his car without his wife present?
Jejejeje he fells his penis smaller and unable to control his erotics thoughts
If he can’t control himself law enforcement is not for him. If he can’t fulfill his duties, then firing his ass was right.
Well good luck with that he’ll probably get paid with some serious sense for his head. Mental meltdown for non brain usage
Good luck winning this ludicrous lawsuit lol
Why don't you cover just one of these topics from Weiner's laptop?
Men who do this stunt are basically admitting they would be rapists. Hard not to understand that truth. Oh I absolutely believe them 100%.
Sounds like the ISIS Rule!
That’s why a lot of Christian fundamentalists and catholic priests turn out to be gay - they spend too much time with the same sex.
.... the other said it was discrimination which is the constitution ...
If you can't trust yourself around another woman do you really need to be carrying a badge and protecting us as well? How do we know our women will be protected in your company?
I am sure that if he took a long look in the mirror, he would realize he has nothing to worry about.
Sounds like he goes to the same church that Pence goes to! Mother wouldn’t approve!
Religious NUTBAR !
'Hi, I can't be around 50% of the world's population without a chaperone. Can you hire me for an important job in the grown-up world?'
He has a case and I hope he wins.
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Dafuq is wrong with these creeps
wow
Grounds for dismissal ,absolutely ridiculous 🙄👇🏼
Muslim officers are given time to pray and other religions have been allowed to wear garb that is not part of the uniform. I just came here to read the comments from leftist hypocrites who have a problem with a Christian man who merely wants to follow closely to HIS beliefs.
A North Carolina police officer is suing for religious discrimination after he said he was fired for refusing to spend extended time with a woman who isn’t his wife, a practice commonly known as the “Billy Graham Rule.” 'It must be because of the size of his ruler'.
Why couldn’t his employer accommodate his religious beliefs?
now ya tell me about that RULE when I,m 75 years old
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Imagine explaining that to your grandpa
Maybe pick another one out for him
W wait what? !!!
These people need to crawl back under their rock.
Greed and religion is destroying the world!!!!
he needs to look for a different career .....there are too many interactions with the public in his job that easily violate his Billy rule....what if he arrests a woman and is transporting her to jail or any emergency with with all female civilians .....
You're gonna get fired for sexism every time.
That would probably work if he was off the clock doing security work, but as a cop his number 1 priority is his job. He will be alone with many women who are not his wife.
mmfeledy If his job is to train a fellow officer and he refuses, he should lose his job.
Please don’t bother us with this southern hill billy shit...
Gee my religion says I shouldn't pay taxes! Really? Sorry people! Believe what you want to believe. You still need to follow the law!
Mike Pence rule.
CAVEMAN HOLD OVER? N.CAROLINA COP W/SELF-CONTROL ISSUES? W/SO LITTLE SELF-CONTROL, PERHAPS HE HAD BETTER B IN ANOTHER PROFESSION. CAN U IMAGINE WHAT HE DOES TO MALE BAD GUYS? ZAT WHAT QUALIFIES U AS A COP IN N CAROLINA? ICE WILL TAKE HIM!
I see the problem he needs to nut up and get a second wife
But no doubt voted for a multi divorced, blasphemous, pornstar sucking, delusions of being the almighty cretin. And is dearly praying he gets judged by someone appointed by said moral deviant. Save that one for Sunday service
What is involved in ' extended time '
LOL - right 🤪
Just how many Billy Graham Rules did Billy use. Affair after affair. Wife must be brainwashed
These men are so afraid of their own impulses that they have to demonize women.
Gee, wonder how many marriages are ruined by being forced to work with the opposite sex as 'partners'
As a 25 year + LEO. This is nonsense. You are an officer, you with the person you are assigned to work with. SCOTUS says 'An officers peace cannot be breached'. There is no exemption for religion..
What a bunch of crap-o-la😂. Guy probably didn't want to train a female. Maybe had an angry wife at home or thought he was above having to do that.
So that's where Pence got that. Doesn't Jesus give you assholes the will to resist temptation?
“But, sharia law!”
Too bad Mr Graham did not live to see a U.S. president put himself above GOD........, said he, alone has all the answers and 'he' is the chosen one.
Thought it was called the “Mike Pence Rule”
Does he call his wife mother?
Billy Graham a friend of Richard Nixon is heard in the Nixon tapes speaking of CBS News, and Dan Rather in particular saying 'I wish I could cut their throats'. CBS News & Rather were very tough on Nixon over Watergate, I guess the sixth commandment is not that important.
Religion has no place at work.
Can 2 men also have the appearance of “sinful interaction “? So this man can only be alone with his wife then and train no one?
🙄🤡
If he can’t trust himself with a woman then he probably shouldn’t be a police officer.
All this is simply about a way to discriminate against women in the work place. Some Female prime ministers see it for what it is & don't meet with VP for that very reason. Why should you be required to have subordinates present just because of your gender.
Oh for goodness sake, grow the hell up
It’s called misogyny
If your a man or woman and can't do your job because you can't spend time alone with the opposite sex because of religious beliefs BU-BYE. Although that should be called the Pence Rule. 'Oh Mother'
As a woman...I don't blame him!!! These Fem-Nazis are radical in their hatred of men! Will falsely accuse! KavanahHearings!!!!!
I thought that was referred to as the 'Mike Pence rule', or the 'I can't control myself around women rule'...
If the woman was a lesbian it would have been okay.
Dude,your job may require you to work with women! What, you don't trust yourself to be a respectful adult male ?
If an employee, especially one in public service, cannot effectively integrate into society, he must not expect to do it on his own terms. Since He cannot fulfill his obligations to society, firing him was the only option.
If he knowingly chose to work in a coed workplace then throw this case out.
Time for a new line of work, buddy. Anyone who can't control their thoughts of raping while 'protecting and serving' the public should not be wearing a badge.
Yes!!! You go boy!! AND he's a cop! They could have EASILY accommodated this man but the world DOESN'T want ETHICAL people in charge so try to get rid of us! STAND UP CHOSEN where ever you are! The world NEEDS you!🙌🙏 DON'T worry if lose money or friends! God's got your back!
SHWALD
What part of the Bible does the Billy Graham rule come from because I missed reading that in the Bible.
Excuses are made for everyone else UNLESS you are a Christian.
If he can’t control himself he has no business being an officer. If he can’t carry out his duties his ass needed firing.
Timcast
It must be horrible to feel like you can't control yourself around a female coworker.
toshea66 🤦🏽♂️
If that were a female cop who didn’t want to be with a man she’d be called a hero and brave
Poor little Christians being forced to keep it in their pants around women they're not married to. Oh the horror!
senseless
Relegions loonies are unstable. He needs to be dismissed and his guns should be taken away
TheFamilyNetflix
Remember when Jesus would hang out with women alone? 🤦♂️
*Mike Pence has entered the chat room*
Now he will have plenty of time to spend with his wife while he looks for other employment.
The fact that he’s choosing to follow a man’s law says volumes!
He can’t keep it in his pants!
Did he or didn’t he? Who the hell is working at NBC and not proofing?
If a man's religious beliefs prevent him from doing assigned work, he should do different work. Anyone with extreme religious beliefs should NEVER be in law enforcement. NEVER.
Where in the Gospel does it say you can't be alone with a woman?
In other words, he refused to work with a woman.
Sorry but this is extreme. Unprofessional. Tell him to pray then that God helps him control his own thoughts and actions.
So, this NC cop can’t spend extended time with a women not his wife because what - he’s basically an animal - or he’s already been caught screwing around on his wife?
So the officer is afraid he can’t behave like a gentleman while training a fellow officer? Sharia law will be the next thing some of these backward believing bible thumpers try to impose on us. How can people interpret the bible in such asinine ways.
The police office has no business being hired to begin with. Keep your religion to yourself.
Come off it
This angers me so much seriously men can’t be in the presence of a woman..... just another way to keep women down veiled behind religion disappointing
This is 2019. He'd better find a way to deal with it. Women & men work side by side now, more than ever, and employers will be reluctant to hire him after this......maybe he could find work at a monastery.
Give me a break!! It sounds so like high school!
On a plane two days ago: Elderly Woman-“I am uncomfortable sitting next to a man”. (She boarded in a wheelchair) FA-Oh, okay. Asks man sitting in window seat, if he would move. He says sure. She puts him up front. Elderly woman-You should put me up front. FA- Smiles sweetly.
He should apply for the Sharia police in Iran
He can always wear a hijab type cover over his penis. What's good the religious goose is good for the religious gander.
vainsovain Seriously, these men are so afraid that they can’t keep it in their pants and therefore can’t be alone with a woman whom they aren’t married to? Impropriety my a$$. How pathetic!
These dumbasses including VP are welcome to hold whatever religious beliefs they want but this isn’t 1950 and women are an integral part of the world. If you can’t deal with then that go to work in a fucking monastery.
They should rename it the 'Pence Mother Rule.'
The 'Billy Graham Rule' exists for narrow/shallow-minded men with weak willpower who cannot control the brain moving from the big head to the little head.
Oh for Heavens sake! Would these people please just time warp themselves back to the 18th Century or before. 🙄
What kind of pervert do you have to be that you can’t be alone worth another woman? You aren’t that cool, dude.
Odd...... 1st time I’ve ever heard of “the billy graham rule.”
Whaaat😳?
I didn’t realize Pence was moonlighting from his VP job😎
Sounds a lot like men can’t trust themselves around any women. It’s odd they are so against Muslims when they have such similar beliefs.
Good He shouldn’t be an officer, he admitted he lacks self control.
😂😂 not only to pigs commonly beat their wives they also routinely cheat on their wives too 😂😂😂
Antiquated and likely unconstitutional...
If you can’t do your job... yah! You get fired. It’s how employers and employees relationships work
So what happens if he has to arrest a woman? He doesn't think he can trust himself to keep his dick in his pants?
Ahh.... Unemployment office is open what 8:00-4:00 Mon-Fri. So get you arse down there to stand in line, as you are FIRED!! A$$hole
Your religion is discriminatory. I literally wouldn't have my career if I had said 'I won't work alone with a man' ...
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He should be fired for refusing to do his job. He knew the job requirements when he took it. If I don't get to get out of work due to make believe, neither does he.
That police officer is apparently incapable of doing the job he was hired to do. He should seek another line of work. We don't need to discriminate against women because he cannot trust himself.
who are these people and why did they choose to come out from under the rock they've been living under?
So not being able to discriminate against women is itself discrimination ?
So - a female partner? An equal?
Some people see their coworkers more than their wife, but I bet they pick and choose when to cry religious freedom.
I’d have more sympathy for people in this situation if they weren’t also the same people who don’t care about trampling all over other religions’ rights.
I know Manuel and his family in Sanford, NC.
So now it’s a “rule?”
SICK
Couldnt we just have Trump and his dirty thirty move to that country that Trump has invented that can assume all the American business Trump has just ordered Americans to switch to since China is now DECREED off limits?
North Carolina is a right to work state. They can fire him for any reason they want. Or no reason at all.
Lol this is just an excuse to get money!
Yea, because (usually) smaller,shorter, less muscled, less testosterone filled women, pose such an inherent danger to an armed male police officer. I wouldn’t want to be alone with a woman if I were him either. Way too risky.
Men who are this afraid of women need not be - we do not want them and actually have little use for the pea-brains they are.
But VP can spend as much time as he wants with men and little boys, maybe he’s allergic to women? 🤔🤔🖕🏾🤔🖕🏾🖕🏾🤔🤔🤔🖕🏾🖕🏾🖕🏾🤔🤔🤔 Such a fraud. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 mtonyposnanski
If he prayed to Allah he might win the case. But he prays to the wrong God according to leftists in govt. truth
This “Good Christian” Billy Graham wrote a proposal for escalating the war in Vietnam Nam to include Strategic Carpet Bombing Of Hanoi. You know, like Jesus would do.
I thought this was the “Mother Pence Rule.”
Indistinguishable from the Bully Taliban Rule.
I wonder what he would of done if a mentally ill person was running around naked? 🤔
Misogyny hiding behind the facade of the church. Any person can believe what they want. However it's no longer the 1800's. Equality laws exist for these reasons. If he won't fulfill his job requirements because of his religious beliefs. That's his choice. He needs a male only job
Evangelicals in politics are bad news for America.
MattMurph24 'Billy Graham Rule' designed to keep women out of jobs in male dominated fields. Men can't be around them alone, so keep them out is the mindset. Nope. If training employees is part of the job then resign if you cannot do that.
The only way this 'rule' should be enforced is if the woman in question is a second grade teacher, then fuck him/her, they deserve all the punishment available on this planet because there is no such thing as an afterlife and second grade teachers need to be made so suffer.
He's not fit to be a policeman.
Apparently, this is allegedly the reason English pilgrims came to America, to avoid common sense laws.
I've read a lot of the Bible and no verse comes to mind. These people are nuts.
Need to find another line of work in a right wing compound, dude. Your peccadilloes shouldn’t prevent a woman employee from being trained.
Anyone like this don't need to have a gun on them. It's just a matter of time before his god 'tells' him some wacky bullshit and people end up dead
Most jobs fire you if you can’t perform your duties.
What in the FK! billygrahamrule
Why does this man hate men? Is he so weak that he believes he can be abusive to his work partner? Are men’s character so bad they can’t act with noble character?
His job will require touching women that are not his wife, sometimes aggressively. Unfit for duty.
Was it the Bible, or is it because he can't keep it in his pants? 🤔
If he is lacking in self-control, perhaps he should follow the Franklin_Graham Rule? L-R: Graham and Michele Fiore (not his wife).
Is it Religious Liberty or Religious Disability? If your Religious life prevents you from functioning in the real world then you’ve got a problem. I’m fine with just paying him to stay home to worship more! He should be happy with that outcome as he can be closer to God.
Religious, cultist kooks.
That's not love shining from his face. With age your true character shows in every line and wrinkle. amjoyshow maddow PoliticsNation mitchellreports inners facts
There are no official rules from Billy or his hypocrite offspring.
Hey! I have an idea! Women can start wearing head coverings so men can control themselves better!
If the job requires it, then he needs to find another job. He can’t expect the job to accommodate all religious discrepancies. He would be imposing his religious beliefs on others. There is a reason for separation of Church and State. Believe what you want. Don’t push it on me
Religious Freedom to discriminate against Gays; now this. If you're that weak, then keep your ass at home.
the problem of legitimizing fringe cults as religions
Don’t be a public servant if you can’t perform the duties of one.
Then he is unfit to be a police officer in 2019, in the United States of America.
Nothing biblical about this. Sounds more like right wing misogyny to me. 🤔
In a world of “she said, you’re guilty” I get it.
Holy eff. How much more of misogyny can women take? WarOnWomen
This is the Christian right's latest tantrum regarding MeToo. The argument being that believing women is more about bashing men, and so men, like all traditional authority figures, are under attack in this liberal world. So this Billy Graham Rule is a way of playing victim.
So his complaint is essentially his “religious” beliefs allow him to discriminate against women? His job was to train a fellow officer and he refusedand he was properly fired. This is a straight line to a Hand Maid’s Tale type society.
He should also have his law enforcement certification revoked as well
If you can't work for long periods with a woman, then you should seek sexual mental health help.
Just say it’s an Islamic rule and they’ll allow it. Problem solved.
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