Three times as many people have died from Covid-19 than from flu and pneumonia in England and Wales this year, according to official figures.
Between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to Covid-19 compared to 13,500 from pneumonia. Only 394 were due to flu.Deaths from flu have been particularly low this year. The highest number of deaths from flu and pneumonia occurred in January, during winter, when there is usually lots of flu around."The mortality rate for Covid-19 is also significantly higher than influenza and pneumonia rates for both 2020 and the five-year average," said Sarah Caul, from the ONS.
"Since 1959, which is when ONS monthly death records began, the number of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia in the first eight months of every year have been lower than the number of Covid-19 deaths seen, so far, in 2020."
And how does the estimated case:mortality ratio compare? (Rhetorical) 🙃 Spoiler: highly contagious chimera virus that 'targets' the old and unhealthy, with a high degree/diverse range of complications, and a med-low level of short-term associative morality (for a pandemic).
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77 in 28 days
Sorry. Don't believe a word of it.
Died 'with' not 'from.' It matters a great deal:
Well considering most flu and pneumonia cases have been labelled COVID 19 I'm not surprised 🧐 Just don't believe all the half baked data anymore
No they have died WiTH not from
Don't worry, flu will catch up. It's a late starter.
Did you just follow Australia's lead and rename flu ?
Died from Covid or died with Covid ? One hell of a difference.
Where has flu miraculously gone. Only 1-2 % of flu cases these year compared to that of the previous 50 years. COVID has cured flu this year.
Well we haven't had flu season yet
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81 years old Is their average age, why don’t you report this. How many more are dying and will die of cancer and other diseases because of Covid19UK many more than Covid itself.
This is rubbish! Apples/ oranges! covid asymptomatic and a heart attack within 28 days, it’s a covid death. Flu deaths have to be slam dunkers... mild flu, flu a week ago, you have cancer, heart attack (flu increases risk by nearly 50%!), none will be registered as a flu death.
/ Does Coronavirus Is Much More Dangerous than Flu ! Need to be stated especially by the BBC ! Whom should have much more suitable intelligent News to be concerned with surely!!!
This headline doesn't make sense. Covid19 cause pneumonia. Its like saying more people die of HIV than aids.
The replies on this...people are so unwilling to accept reality because they are desperate to feel as if they know better than others. Better than science, even. It's really pathetic.
What a barefaced downright lie!!
Up until 2020, deaths attributed to flu have varied between 11,875 and 28,330 per winter season. This article states that in 2020 only 394 died of flu. 394!!!?🙄😮 You can draw your own conclusions. fraud WhyAreTheyDoingThis SimonDolan
COMPLETE BOLLOCKS!!!
Flu has not kicked in yet so how can you say that
JOEPUBLIC20171 Thats from covid-19 REPORTED cases. 10,000 less flu deaths this year than normal? Funny stench in the air ...
How many of the Covid deaths had underlying illnesses or co-morbidities? Without that detail, your headlines are misleading and scaremongering. The public are surely entitled to the true facts BBCHughPym NickTriggle
Deaths with 28 days of a positive test, any cause included in count
Where was the post mortem to prove this, considering there was a unusually low number of flu and pneumonia deaths this year
Obviously a new virus - a gift from China - is going to cause chaos if a country isn't properly prepared - as we should have been. Now countries know what they are dealing with and how to manage it numbers came tumbling down. Trump's treatment gives further hope of cures.
Yes but most in the first few months, not the case now the medical people are on top of this virus as best they can be.
All cause deaths have also now gone back to its horrible 'normal' - death by heart disease, Alzheimers etc. with Covid at the bottom - 1% of deaths.
Based on dodgy data
So many covid flu experts here
That is why China must pay for all the lost! The Chinese government should take full responsibilities!
Normal flue virus dont kick in until winter
A kind of false news because you missed out this other startling graph.
From or with ?
Rubbish.
No shit sherlock
Right of course at its peak - but not recently. This is a kind of false news again because as the virus 'settles' into its natural curve flu has now overtaken Covid - as shown in your graph. False news is deliberately always referring to the worst 2 months as if nothing changed.
But not recently.
Yeah when the flu comes in winter and not in summer so stop spreading fake news
It stole most the flus deaths as its own,along with many other non covid deaths
Well duh
From Covid, with Covid or just stated on the death certificate without any evidence? Whatever happened to investigative journalism?
Why you all reporting the same thing. Go and investigate why figures are not taking into account false positives
Not true, from ONS data for 2020... COVID deaths 46K. Flu/Pneumonia deaths 32k. That is not 3 times.
If I have a covid test today and jump out of an airplane next week with no parachute and die I will according to the stats have died from covid. Go figure.
Hahahahaha you believe the bbc
So what's your point BBC how do you bash the government with this statistic.
Not according to the official ONS figures it hasn't. It's still only the 24th biggest killer this year.
What an utterly stupid thing to report - stating the obvious with the sole purpose of scaremongering, Covid initially took vulnerable, the already ill, the elderly etc, etc. What we need to do is look at the flu/pneumonia and Covid deaths figures now - tells a different story.
Tell Trump that!
Where did.flu disappear too? Shock, horror! Amazingly, after many years, it just took up and left. Wow. COVID (or whatever it is today) cured the flu. WakeUpEverybody FakeNewsMediaClowns
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Going off the numbees in the article 7 x as many have died from obesity related issues than flu and pneumonia, why is it surprising so many have died from covid, people are not going to suddenly become capable of looking after themselves.
I get the order of magnitude issue, and that’s a reasonable COVID point to highlight. However, we do offer uk vaccination against pneumonia for older people; so this will have an important effect... comparing one virus with a vaccination option against another that we do not.
Bullshit, thats including all those thousands that died from other illnesses but their deaths were put down to covid utter bullshit, we know it you know the government knows this but instead carry on with the lies 🖕
Not according to TrumpCovid
How many actually died of covid
Well if you’re going to plonk Covid on damn near every death certificate that’s hardly newsworthy is it?
Total bs. They have been counting all aged deaths as covid. Manipulating figures to suppress freedom.
Let's talk about the patients who've died because they can't see a GP or hospital Consultant, or those who've had their cancer treatment stopped so we can 'Protect the NHS'. Heart disease, stroke and cancer haven't gone away. How is the NHS protecting those people?
The tin foil hat brigade won’t like this story!
All the COVID idiots who said the flu was more deadly 😂 Time to play the death certificate card now guys
It’s sad we still have to compare COVID with flu 🤧
I thought flu and pneumonia were cured now? Everyone just dies WITH COVID, even those run over or stabbed Total lies
Oh you mean before Flu Season has even properly started this year?
Is that because flu and pneumonia are 3x lower, since all flu and pneumonia symptoms are now Covid?
There has to be an acceptable balance between Covid deaths & shutting down society until a vaccine is found! People suffer many different ailments not all treatable including cancers & yet life doesn't stop. Yes we have to protect the vulnerable BUT also learn to live with Covid!
COVID IS GLOBAL GOVERMENTS CANT FUCTION WITHOT CASH , CIVIL SERVANTS LAST TO BE EFFECTED ..
And only 7 % of popn have been exposed to it. Do the maths ... 😱
And that’s with social distancing & lockdown Imagine comparing in tandem conditions ie those with flu cases told to isolate which I reckon many didn’t
I believe the death toll in the USA was about 62,000 for 2019/20 flu season. H1N1 also spiked when covid did, and has killed people at a proportional but reduced rate.
Official doctored figures show, that anything from being hit from a bus to dying of cancer is potentially a lethal way to die of Covid
What utter rubbish the figures are massively floored with people testing positive after death being counted even if they died of cancer, road traffic accidents or just plane old age who with any sense would believe this work of fiction.
Ffs even with over whelming fact the covid19 deniers are still out in force spouting their unfounded garbage .. what set of perthetic humans they are
What a shoddy article! There is no breakdown by demographic. The BBC are happy to publish this with ZERO context.
More like just flu! Covid a hoax
I see a slight issue with this headline
Absolute bollocks!. The public are not stupid!
Flu season hasn’t started yet has it?
This is the title I am expecting to see for the years to come. Ofc it is higher because everything is recorded as covid-19. How is it that in 2017, 2018, 2019 an X amount of people died of Flu but in 2020 an only X/3 died?
Everyone who has died within 28 days of testing positive goes down as a covid death, so the numbers are not accurate.
lies lies & more lies
'Deaths from flu have been particularly low this year' Ain't that strange?
No shit! Flu season just started October 1.
Get ready for the usual number of self-proclaimed epidemiologists disputing the official figures.
Zero balanced coverage from & night of course, because Ofcom says so!
, Really 😷
WhyAreTheyDoingThis ? Untrue and you know it!
Maybe because the flu normally starts to affect people from now until the new year ?
Nice manipulation of the figures. Flu season transcends the calander year and lasts around 6 months. Yet again, bbc reporting inaccurate facts. The question bbc should ask- in flu season months, which ilness is killing more? Also, cancer kills twice as many as covid- ban smoking?
The sort of people who believe David Icke over the public health experts should be registered as brain dead for official figures, we need an idea of how many corvidiot zombies exist amoung the living.
The British public are a bunch of morons and that’s why their irresponsible behaviour has led to this crisis. That and a dreadful example of so called leadership from the government. Farce !
Deaths certified by doctors who didn’t even see the body. Phone conv: ‘Does it look like Covid?’ ‘Yes’ ‘That’s what I’ll put it down too then’ ‘But covid and flu symptoms are very similar’ ‘Hush now’
The fact is that if you contract covid-19, flu or pneumonia there's a probability you'll die as a result. The probability increases with age and underlying conditions. Its high time we learned to live with it and protect the vulnerable.
More people under 60 have died falling out of bed than have died from Covid.
Because even if someone dies of decapitation, if the have tested possitive in 28 days - their cause of death is recorded as Covid-19. Ridiculous. Lies, damn lies and statistics!
Just wait until the end of the year
Love how people with no medical education are questioning so strongly the way deaths are counted. I’m no trained medical professional either, but it’s been quite clear that deaths related to COVID are complex to account for, given the complications that can happen. Calm down ppl.
It’s been mis-counted and mid-reported since day one. NOBODY knows how many people have died from other causes and been labelled as Covid. I don’t believe for one MINUTE more people have died from Covid than flu this year
How many died specifically from Covic19
All on Boris
Complete bull
Link to the data set:
We haven’t had a flu epidemic yet though
“It’s just like the flu”
Rubbish u can't trust any figures
Nope, wrong again Bollocks Broadcasting Corporation.
So far
God forgive them! Eternal memory!
Course they have 🥱
God bless You! To be!
Investigative journalism at the BBC forget it. Just look for sensational headlines.
dOnT lOcKdOwN, iTs JuSt ThE fLu
But not for the last few weeks where flu deaths have been many times more than covid
Show Trump realDonaldTrump
...but a fraction of all other unfolding deaths so far going unremarked.
u lie its a scam
10 times more people have died not from Covid-19 than from Covid-19 in UK this year and tomorrow is Friday.
If usually 10,000 people die each year from flu (NHS figures) how can less than 400 have died from flu this year? I call BS
Only 394 were due to flu. In a period of time that most years sees anywhere up to 20,000 flu deaths...
No they haven't. You're just worried about the gaining momentum and you're working overtime now for your controllers, the billionaires and the World Economic Forum.
You bunch of liars!
And ?
Why don’t you add for clarity the average age of the people affected is 82. People are imagining all sorts are going to befall them if they get caught with this virus. They have no idea how many 82 year olds die in a normal year. To make 82 year olds 83 is why they shut the pubs.
That's a rather misleading heading though because it wasn't a very severe flu season and you're only counting the last few weeks of flu season. Not doubting COVID has killed more but if you compare this to other flu seasons the gap is different.
Ok we'll all go to Scotland.....oh shit!!
Apart from the fact that many people are recorded as dying ‘with’ COVID19, rather than from it. How many of those with flu or pneumonia were recorded as dying ‘with’ COVID19?
No covid vaccine....
Not ‘died from Covid’, they may have ‘died with covid’
Flu season has barely started ffs😠
What a stupid stat!!! How does the flu deaths compare to previous years and would those people have died of flu anyway if they hadn’t gotten Covid!
Yet there's always Facebook scientists that'll tell you it's fake.
The coronavirus is Mongolian biological weapon! If don't believe it, they may slowly end killing humanity!
Here for the lizard overlord bantz.
How many of the people that have died are below the age of 75? How many had serious underlying health conditions? What are the figures for cancer, heart, obesity and alcohol related deaths. What are the suicide rates? Please let me know.
Or the death certificates were manipulated and no autopsy was carried out to come up with misleading figures & scare the population into complying with the agenda of the establishment. 😅
Yeah but Piers Morgan's son thinks it's all pointless...so, I think I'll believe him... sorry facts!
In before Karen with her degree from the University of Facebook.
Utter rubbish, lies
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