is published, certain people feel compelled to share their own research. You've probably heard it all, too: A Prius is worse for the planet than a Hummer. EVs are coal-powered cars. Electric cars produce more CO2 than internal combustion engine vehicles. Lithium mining is uniquely bad for the environment. Cobalt mining relies largely on slave labor, if not child slave labor. Actually, that last part is sadly true. But the rest? Lies.
." To quote the Gray Lady,"the pollution equation evens out between 1.4 to 1.5 years for sedans, 1.6 to 1.9 years for SUVs and about 1.6 years for pickup trucks, based on the average number of vehicle miles traveled in the United States." So even if you sign just a two-year lease, by the time you turn in your EV, it has released less CO2 than the equivalent ICE vehicle.
Source: Car News Wire (carnewswire.net)
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But, you don't mention anything about recycling.
Interesting stuff, has anyone compared ICE with hybrid and EV? Curious to see where mid term solution lies?
Only by you.
Ya still not being an EV any time soon
I would like to know why a ev cost more than a ice car. Ev has less parts .
Well quite honestly I don’t care about efficiency. I would rather be able to refuel wherever I want too and it take roughly the same time everywhere. Also electric cars are boring and uglier than Pontiac Aztec’s.
Typically, the most basic battery replacement in tesla costs between $13,000 and $14,000. For the Model S premium sedan, replacing a Tesla battery costs around $13,000-$20,000.
Combination of things. Infrastructure isn't there yet (as you guys are very familiar with), EV's are still quite expensive, battery degradation is a problem, range still trails most ICE counterparts with longer recharge times, and in colder climates they don't work very well.
yes eliminating other factors EV's are more efficient but in all honesty this feels a bit exaggerated.
And the reason most people don't want electric vehicles is because they prefer gasoline or diesel engines. I don't know why this is so difficult to get.
ummm.... ICE refers to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, just FYI.
This graph doesn’t show the power plant behind the scenes of where that electricity comes from…
It's always the same answer. Unreasonably long recharge times. Just get hydrogen power sorted out. The sooner we start focusing on solving the problems with hydrogen as a power source for vehicles, the better.
fact check. Where are power line losses? around 10%. Where are the losses from the gas turbine? Gas turbines are 50% efficent so half all your efficency claims. You have no discharge loss of around 10%. its 10% in 10% out. batterys are always 20% losses.
The recovery of regenerative breaking for hybrids or plug in hybrids is neglected. Why is there so much anti plug in hybrid rhetoric? Completely neglected are EVs with a RANGE EXTENDER. They need a much smaller battery and drive 90% fully electric.
EV's have yet to be proven in cold weather climates
Because the argument from that side was always about cars in general.
Because what about the energy used on the front end, ya know, TO COLLECT THE MATERIALS TO BUILD AN EV? I'm not anti-EV, I'm anti-people that don't understand a simple concept.
May as well just buy a new petroleum vehicle. Electric cars have a long way to go before they're viable alternatives to cars that use internal combustion engines.
It can take over two days to fully recharge a Tesla Roadster. So you've bought your electric car, you've had it five years and you're bored with it. It's a simple case of selling it on or trading up, right? Wrong. That battery will need replacement soon.
It's true that electric cars don't emit any exhaust gases, but the same can't be said of all the power stations generating the electrical energy they rely on. It takes around two minutes to refuel a car that uses an internal combustion engine.
Just face it, Electric cars are a total rip-off, often costing more than twice as much as their closest petrol counterparts. There's a common misconception that electric cars are cheap to run.
The all or nothing religious approach. Common sense approaches that utilize all aspects of energy would be a logical way to handle transportation. EVs are only part of the picture. Infrastructure, raw materials, environmental impact among others are being ignored.
This lady is smarter than you
Lies lies and more lies! Quit blaming everything on science, its flawed and debatable. People are tired of listening to fake science 😷💉😈
But you’re not accounting for the energy and environmental effects of building the EV.
“Trust the Science” has become a partisan talking point, just as is the dogmatic push for EV’s. The tech & infrastructure is not mass market ready. Many of the “benefits” have dangerous trade offs. No one in leadership, corporate or political, is soberly reflecting on them.
Ever try finding a charging station in the middle of Kansas? There's your answer.
Because the attempt to eliminate fossil fuels and replace them with unreliable wind and solar power causes major spikes in costs for electricity by artificially reducing supply. So you have California banning I.C.E in the near future while already asking people not to charge ev’s
Lol. You accounted for the thermal efficiency and losses of a combustion engine, but conveniently didn’t account for the thermal and electrical losses of a coal fired power plant that produced the power for the batteries, or the additional weight they add.
Because this tweet isn’t true.
The ecological disaster just to make the battery is enough...
Question is, the batteries utilized in such vehicles has an even higher adverse action on the earth than fuel. So why go with the one that needs some of the worst mined products, and can’t be reused once deemed unusable. Poor countries in Africa are dumping grounds for lithium
I believe it
Yo, the article immediately acknowledges that cobalt mining relies on slave/child slave labor....
What do we do with all the toxic chemicals in the battery packs? Can they be recycled? Is this a big problem? Asking as I don’t know
Maybe I missed it in the article but what about the energy costs and environmental effects or battery recycling and disposal?
I agree with some points but your article is misleading. 61% of the US electricity is still generated by fossil fuels. Also you forget to mention that 80% of all EV cars are located in California, Washington and Oregon. California’s energy grid can’t even keep up with the demand.
The problem with EVs is their battery, it's made from minerals like lithium and nickel, and their mining DESTROYS the environment where they are mined, making the argument of EVs being 'eco-friendly' fall to the ground. The future is green hydrogen, period.
Motortrend has turned into a biased electric car propaganda machine lately, what happened to the driver enthusiasts part? ICE or otherwise
3/3 of the environment and in developing countries where labor and environmental regulations don’t exist. AND you are extracting rare earth metals at and exponential rate - that definitionally are NOT renewable. “Green Energy” is anti-planet and anti-human. How is this progress?
2/3 produced by skilled labor protected good work place regulation and labor unions. Energy grids are cleaner than Chinas, using Hydro, Nuclear, and natural gas ( which has already reduced carbon emissions in the US by 25% by replacing coal).EV supply chain dirtier, exploitative
90-95% of the worlds batteries for EV’s and Solar arrays are manufactured in China using Uyghur slave labor on a coal fired energy grid that is EXPANDING. Even this article can’t dispute that Cobalt mining exploits child labor in Africa. Most ICE parts parts are produced by 1/2
You just found out? Wowwwwwwww
Deceptive article from a biased journalist.
Finally someone talked about it…
Regardless of emissions…the US is not ready to handle full EV and won’t be for probably 20+ years. How many gas stations do you see before an electric charging station? Do you think these charging stations will pop up overnight? What about remote areas?
This article is slightly deceptive as it doesn’t consider the increase of CO2 emissions generated to bu the power grid to support an increasing number of EV . It also failed to consider technical advances such as N2 and zero emission synth fuels
But....CO2 is NOT the cause of the so-called global luke-warming (hoax). A little ice age is coming). Now let's do the complete positioning AKA- Raison D'être - again. And saving little kids from having to dig for cobalt etc in Africa may more important to protect. Just saying.
U quoted the NYT. At that moment u lost all credibility and should be fired
Sorry but this 'story' is nothing more than an OPINION piece, at best. At worst it is propaganda and misinformation...or in plain fact, lies! There is too much information out there on the co2 output of all the required mining and manufacturing processes. You should be ashamed
I just can't wrap my P- brain around these cars yet. The infrastructure is decades away from supporting these and the battery replacement and disposal is not feasible. Why would I even consider investing in this when there are way too many cons!?
Lost me when you started quoting NYT. Also didn’t see any mention of Cobalt mining and how awful that is for the environment/slavery. Loved MT for 10 plus years but let’s stick to car reviews 👍
Garbage article.
Not interested in electric, will never be interested in electric. I'm onboard with synthetic gas, which is honestly way more practical. But whatever.
I remember when Motor Trend use to be a credible source for automotive news. However, that hasn't been the case for some time...
Still not interested in one.
Sure the recent energy crisis is showing how clean coal plant to create electricity are clean…sure thing…please keep up the good work of not being wise and educate about anything
Because the energy it takes to produce and dispose of one EV battery is worse for the environment than a Land Rover over its entire lifetime.
EV will have more problems!!!!, 30 K for Batteries
Science isn’t an entity. Most of the studies listed are from newspapers and lobbys. Where are all the lithium mines going to be, in your country or forced on poor ones? What about exponential increase in disposed batteries? You are motortrend but pushing the end of cars. Motorend
Isn’t My 50 year old pickup truck more environmentally friendly than a 10 year electric car in a scrap pile? Think about it
What a load of crap
Oil = easy endless profit = greed = protect asset = hate on alternate option
There are multiple conflicting studies on this topic. People buy cars for economical transportation first, then for environmental reasons. Some studies suggest hybrid is the best balance when considering all the factors including life cycle impacts of the vehicle.
Who’s paying you to promote EVs lately
Kind of ironic coming from a company that’s been covering ICE cars for how many years? Did we also forget how new the hype train of EV cars are now? And how long ICE has been around. Yes, the numbers are going to be vastly different. JeremyClarkson come get your people.
This is easy. Find a Electric Car you like. Go to the Dealers Part counter and ask them how much for a battery replacement. There is your answer.
How many tons of earth needs to be excavated for one battery pack and what type of fuel does the equipmemt use, including the supply chain that delivers it? What is the long term diaposal of spent batteries and how toxic or cost effective is the recycling process?
We like the vroom vroom sound.
“Science has proved”…EV’s heavily depend on rare earth strip mining, fracking, and chelating 100’s of tons of material often using child labor. THEN 90-95% of the manufacturing process of JUST the batteries is done in China using Coal Power and Slave Labor. This is hard data.
An everyday car can be converted into a steam car...the steam turbine/generator replaces the existing engine..the fuel tank..well it's still the fuel tank but it stores water..batteries included..
There are virtually no emissions except for the vehicle components manufacture with an electric steam car..
..because they're not electric steam cars..which are self suffient..just water..not electricity..
Propaganda says what?
Proven... Seriously guys you can't even get that right?
Not accurate at all
Cause they take to long to recharge and they have no range so if u were to go on a trip u would have to take a month
Because real car guys (unlike this Jonny guy) don't give a damn about EVs. It's sad to see MT publishing this crap daily. But then again, MT has never been much of a car guy publication.
Apples to apples is the way you have to compare.. In this case red apples versus red apples from cradle to grave including the cost of the land, the vertiliser etc.
It's really interesting how EVs even on a full coal grid are still cleaner then individual ice just due to economies of scale with power generation and efficiency.
The grid won't fix itself. It's time to become energy independent.
Nuclear power plants /Atomic energy do in fact produce CO² emissions. You're not accounting for the huge indirect emitter of manufacturing concrete, the transporting of concrete, and the energy to commute skilled labor for years to mold, pour, and set concrete.
Hybridcars far better for the environment then a Tesla POTUS JoeBiden KamalaHarris have lied to you to get your votes & people are still falling for it if ElectricVehicles are you good for the environment then why don't they produce at least some of there own electricity
De Plus les puces pour faire rouler ses véhicules il y a déjà la pénurie sans compter que le Litiums il n'y en aura pas assez pour la fabrication de tous les véhicules ,sans compter sur le sujet ils y en a qui rétropèdale déjà pour la fabrication massif des véhicules élèctiques.
En Plus de sa pour que sa soit confortable pour ceux qui ont véhicule électrique comme pour les véhicules thermiques il faudrait plus de 10 000 borne de recharge rien qu'en France et n'en parlons pas sur le térritoir Américain ou le Canada ou les distance sont encore plus grande.
I’m about this far (holding my fingers very, very close together) from dumping Motor Trend (including my TV subscription) altogether. You do remember you born out of gear heads snd hot rodders?
Wtf! Motortrend... Welcome to the first day of your new life!
Until EV’s can get the same distance, tow as much, have as many charging stations as gas stations, and take as little time to charge as it takes to fill a tank with gas, don’t talk to me about EV’s.
I want the charger built into the car. Then the car goes however far I want.
I don’t disagree with you but I do know for a fact, driving a battery around is a soul-less experience. Great commuter tool.
The article overlooks the brilliant method that Switzerland is considering that will reduce EV emissions even more: curtail or ban their use during certain periods.
All them liberal snowflakes single file y'all to the ubiquitous charging stations ...
I see many car companies going out of business soon
Without massive upgrades to the power grid, most states couldn't handle a huge influx of electric vehicles.
Great explanation, I've never seen those numbers. Once we all go EV, where will our governments get all the tax money that we pay for in the gas price? Will our electric bills quadruple?
Bladel Hum... Look here, look at CO2, not methane and PM 2.5... The article started well until it tried to defend coal burning. Nuclear is the solution, but you are being lied to about this one even more.
I see no mention of hydrogen-powered ICE or an FCEV in your article. Why is that?
The 'science or data' about Lithium mining) extraction is no where near accurate, in the statement made in this article...water consumption was and is and will be massive, and that's an understatement.
Completely overlooks transmission losses in comparing ICE vs EV efficiency.
I'm never heard of ICE efficiency being that low, so I skeptical of how that's being calculated. One big factor I didn't see mentioned is about local pollution, where ICE is horrible since it emits around people, whereas EV/grid pollution can be done in 'safe' areas.
LOL...love the right wing cope here. Anyone with any common sense has known that EVs are much green over the life of the vehicle. Glad it's been spelled out for them....but will they ever learn? Probs not. 🤷🏽♂️
Yeah After 200 000 kms 🙃
Look, the issue for me isn’t EVs. I will even grant you that centralized power stations, should prove to be more eco friendly. The issue I have, no one has come up with a realistic plan to shift our energy production to something that won’t bankrupt our economy and keep lights on
This is a well written piece of content.
Good article. Nice to see the facts backed up by legitimate sources. I have to admit, I was not aware of the time span where ev's equal their ice counterparts. It was much sooner than I had guessed.
I love the responses to this article. 'NUH UH!' says independent researcher bill3743524765347652.
This article is trash. The only thing EV's, and all other 'green tech', are good for is China's GDP.
I guess I'm behind the times. I hadn't realized Motortrend was merely pushing the globalist BS narrative like most others. Unfollowed.
Why are you pushing fake news? You want to lose the rest of us that haven’t abandoned you yet?
The article quotes the NYT. We know they can be trusted not to push a left leaning narritive. 🙄
I see you hired this guy to write your articles
Great article! Need more of this knowledge to help the fake news
Lets add some context:
I’m sticking with my Chevys and everyone else can have those Powerwheels.
This article was brought to you by: The White House, Joe Biden and the DNC. Just go ahead and rename your magazine 'EVTrend.'
Unless you’re Swiss…
So, what about the millions of giant lithium batteries that are going to end up in a junkyard someday?
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