Every week, 2,600 American clinicians report the share of their patients who have—a fever of at least 37.8°C and a cough or sore throat, without a known non-flu reason. Unsurprisingly,, such as common colds, strep throat and, now, covid-19. The authors assume that the share of these providers’ patients withwho do have the flu matches the rate of flu tests that are positive in the same state and week.
This article appeared in the Graphic detail section of the print edition under the headline "Footprints of the invisible enemy"
Except every reasonable study says infection rate is low! So all this is nonsense!
I think deadly is factor of two things: how easy it is to get the disease and what the fatality rate is among those who get it. A higher transmission rate and a lower fatality rate can be equally deadly to a lower transmission rate and a higher fatality rate.
Long ago The Economst stopped being a medium of reference
Ad paid for by 55 Tufton Street?
The Economist should change its name to The Corporatist
If it was deadly you wouldn't stand a chance ebloa for example, virus go around the earth in 3 weeks or less they don't need a passport, pure theater, majoity get over it and don't even notice. But seriously rolling out communism with it seems to be the real virus.
*Breaking ONS official data*: 60k 'excess' deaths (UK at May 15th) of which c25k in Care Home settings (42%). Probably around 64k up to today's date. Govt own estimate of 4.4 million infected (past & present) & tallies with WHO eat. of 1.4% of infected death rate.
Results of anti-body tests do not support the idea that lots of people already had covid19. There needs to be a lot more & better testing to be sure, but outside of NYC its an insignificant percentage.
Duh
RockinBluesFan Duh. Economist 6 weeks behind the curve as usual.
This is garbage. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Over a month old, and repudiated within the last few days by the 'Economist' (should really be 'the Exploiter', it has as much to do 21stC economics as Ricardo, Adam Smith and Bagehot - i.e. almost nothing).
Fake Virus, Fake Pandemia, you are Fake News.
Please stop spamming Twitter with leading stories that are weeks old. Thx
Thanks for clearing this up... after reading a few medical reports I was concerned. Wealth before health should be your mantra.
My father-in-law had a serious 'flu-like illness' in January which flattened him like nothing he'd had before. At the same time his brother-in-law was 'diagnosed' with secondary cancer with a range of symptoms including loss of taste/smell. Given all clear 3 weeks later.
So 95000+ dead isn’t so bad, after all.
It is odd that London's packed 10 million have now dropped to the lowest level in the country! Unless Londoners were brilliant at distancing etc something else appears to be in the mix ?
but the antibody study in Stockholm (no lockdown) showed only 7.3% infected. Also at 32000 infected and 3900 deaths for Sweden(10000 cases Stockholm) shows likely not a large percentage have been infected or they are not maintaining immunity... happy to be challenged on logic...
Until we get the 'have you had it' test we cannot be sure?
This is at odds with the announcement yesterday that early data from the antibody test in the UK found only 5% of the population had had it. Someone somewhere is wrong (I hope it is the 5% figure)
That word 'if' again, it's been doing a lot of hard work lately.
0.3% fatality rate agrees quite well with the Heinsburg fatality rate of 0.37%.
This is irresponsible. Less deadly - what does that mean? Less deadly when comparing one percentage against another? But nevertheless deadly for all those people who have died, as attested by the sheer no of excess deaths
No. There could be different strains, or the life cycle of the virus could be much longer.
DBPW - Don't bother - paywalled.
Suspected some time ago by those not signed up to the official agenda The gov' are very likely playing 'War Games' given this unique opportunity to control the entire population As more people are tumbling them they have to release lockdown whilst they still have some credibility
That is the mother of all gaslighting
Thank cock I didn't take out a subscription.
This means that the lockdown was by far the largest misstake in history!
This is really old and fake now. Please promote something from more recent findings.
If you look at Italy, they get from 7k to 24k flue related deaths a year (journal of infectious diseases Nov 2019). Covid is not over, was under reported, missed the start of flue season and the biggest of all had a lockdown. Those unknowns for now will make any paper a guess.
KimFerg58348749 Unless and until you have a reliable and accurate antibody test, which can be used, not by thousands, but by millions, every week, you'll not have a clue what the spread of CV is within the UK.
We don’t know, speculation is ok, but we can’t set policy based on it. We need more data.
Not for the dead ones.
Or more time of incubation
I suggest that the Economist do a serious study of a sampling of Covid-19 survivors who, though not dead, have had their lives severely altered by this virus. The results of this virus are not binary: alive/dead. Alive and damaged forever is a significant probability.
False
If it's less deadly but more contagious, that doesn't necessarily change the outcomes. I'd expect better from the Economist.
Is it good news for your gran?
That has definitely happened. Know quite a few people who had the symptoms back in January and February already
Less deadly ? No , it just takes too long for symptoms to show so more get infected.
Amazing things happen when one removes politically-tinted glasses. The obvious becomes obvious again
Indeed.
You really need to stop peddling “snake oil”.
Deedy2201 That's ridiculous statement. For young people it's less deadly but for many elderly people it's fatal.
Stop using Trump verbiage 'invisible enemy.' It was not at all invisible before it got to the U.S. If 3D depictions of the genetic code, or body bags&mass graves, images of damaged lungs,hearts, kidneys,or ravaged families, businesses& unending food lines aren't enough, what is?
Tell that to the families of 20,000 people
Until you drop dead of the side effects, like strokes and kidney failure.
I did some maths!!! Now get back to work plebes! How about this math. If all of the State of Georgia were hit as hard as Albany, GA we would have over 11K in deaths. And, we don't have the foggiest notion how many people there have had it.
so the experts were wrong again
So take a chance. Get out there and hope that you won’t be just another death statistic.
Depends how many people actually now have immunity
1% generally but 14% for 65-80 may be good for you. i live in a real world not your numbers game .
Who's paying to promote this drivel?
Over 20,000 grieving relatives would disagree. Coronavirus is deadly to a significant portion of society But yeah, most people can ignore that n go back to overcrowded unsustainable sardine city gluttony The rest of us will mourn the quiet calm days of eco-friendly lockdown
But do bear in mind- In the U.K. untested deaths are included as Covid A very high proportion of deaths said to be from Covid had 1 2 or 3 comorbidities that are equally as deadly
So far. Evidence is accumulating that it does long-term damage.
It's not about the death rate sad as that is it's about capacity in the health sector if the hospitals are overwhelmed then the death rate rises ☹️
AlexBerenson lol these comments. People want more death!
There is one too many ises in your headline.
Almost 60,000 would disagree, if they weren't dead. How high would that number be if there wasn't social distancing and quarantining?
Great Plague of 1346 -1665 40% of world population die Spanish FLu ( USA flu) of 1918/1920 kills 20 million. Flu virus of 2019/2020 kills a million ++ dire panic 3% of world POP may die economies trashed for a generation. Guys/Gals we got played. Herd immunity soon essential
At least 1% lethality (0.84% lower bound IFR) according to Berkeley. It's still more than ten times as deadly as influenza and more contagious.
More than 40 000 have died in the UK alone. Less deadly? Please have some respect
I do it think the count is correct. They do not know how long this deadly virus has been around. Also who is really dying from it. People are also dying at home.
Statistics are a wonderful thing in the right hands but the economist aren't those hands
Just how dangerous is this. Manslaughter charges coming your way...
Unless everybody died at home.
I really think it’s time for the scientists to come clean and tell the truth over the hysteria and overhyped response to a new strain of flu - it seems this is just really out of order and they do not know how to come out of it - it is dangerous for us to be stuck like this!
Tell that to the 50,000 dead people
Less consistently deadly. Deadly for some. Not for others.
Here’s an interesting article
How do u work that out?
Does this article provide access to the mind of your great leader President Donald Trump? A wonder of 21st century technology & the Covid-19 pandemic is the almost daily invocation from over 2000 years ago of the spirit of the Emporer Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned.
It depends on how much of the viral load you are exposed to Maybe 😬
If the current UK official figures are correct it kills 13% of people that catch it......so I hope you are correct and that the government has crap figures.
The Economics Europe Editor is a fantasist. Still employed. How can anyone believe the woke Remoaners at The Economist?
'If'?!!
The Economist has a rash. It should seek medical advice.
Over simplistic and flawed.
Its pretty fucking deadly to the thousands who've died though
Why are the UK scientists so blind to this evidence then, maybe with exception of Imperial medical college
You are really pushing this herd immunity thing, aren’t you?
Does this flaming pos come w a side of bleach?
there is good evidence emerging that multiple different strains of the virus are at large already - with a factor of over 300 existing between least severe and most severe strains.
It's killing lots of people either way. Lethality (number of people it kills) = deadliness multiplied by how infectious it is. And we saw in Italy that if you let numbers increase so fast they exceed ICU bed, ventilator & specialist nurse capacity you get over 10% mortality rates
Oh aye. If by 'less deadly' what you actually mean is deadly on unprecedented seasonal levels, totally agree.
We also know very little about how many people have actually died from covid. Data here is sorely lacking.
Unless you’re not counting the number of wrongly-attributed or overlooked deaths from as early as January. Or before.
Numerators and denominators
It hasn’t, so must be more deadly. Of course larger total numbers of dead people also counts as more deadly.
Then I guess those refrigerator truck morgues to handle the overflow of bodies at Bellevue hospital across the street from me are fake then?
I think we know it's not as deadly as the headlines would have us believe. But that's not the message that sells papers or makes us obey government diktats
Says the Economist....now back to work folks 🤷🏻♂️
unless the deaths are also significantly under-reported.
Maybe. Or maybe all these asymptomatic cases will turn out to be presymptomatic. Check out the ratio between 'recovered' patients and those who have died from the disease.
This is not a very bright take. The first half of the statement may be true, but we would have had a huge increase in deaths if it weren't for social distancing and lockdowns, probably in the hundreds of thousands. That seems pretty deadly to me.
Just watch this 🙄
Is it less deadly or are the dead just not being properly accounted for?
Someone really, really, wants to reopen businesses don't they? what's the loss of huge numbers of citizens in the tens of thousands compared to the 1% of the population making a profit?
MelissaMelgare3
A recent study of COVID-19 cases in the United States estimated a mortality rate of - • 10% to 27% for those ages 85 and over • 3% to 11% for those ages 65 to 84 • 1% to 3% for those ages 55 to 64 • And less than 1% for those ages 20 to 54
To assess that a larger spread of COVID-19 decreases its mortality rating is wrong. All over the country and world it appears that COVID-19 deaths are under reported. It will take a while before we know the true impact this virus has.
Researchers estimated COVID-19, which has limited tests and selection bias by assuming that the flu rates — which have limited testing and selection bias — is accurate. Perhaps there are factors related to COVID-19 that confound flu rates.
“Less”
Interesting, in the meantime, what we do know is that death growth is exponential when there is no social distancing and infection spreads without control. Surpassing the health system capacity and collapsing hospitals.
'If covid-19 has spread faster than commonly thought...' That's a big 'IF'
Jfc economists think they are epidemiologists now. Isn’t it bad enough that you destroyed us with your crack smoking austerity theories now you want to kill us because you don’t understand what closed case data is?
BS article courtesy of the corporate world who wants its expendable slaves back.
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The authors of this pre-print, not yet peer-reviewed article, assumed, without even realizing it, that COVID-19 patients are equally likely to need to seek emergency/urgent care as patients with other influenza-like illnesses. That's why they get completely crazy numbers. GIGO
'IF' is not what factual conclusions can be drawn! Facts are required and that could be obtained by doing tests to have factual numbers. What is required for drawing a working strategy to fight e new virus are reliable scientific data and facts. That means tests and more tests!
🤔 that's a misconception of thought
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Oh Jesus.....more theories. 1,945,055 cases and 121,897 deaths. Oooookay..
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Who would now without widespread testing? No one.
We will all die of it within 12 months. Finally
It’s not any less deadly to the dead. It’s only less likely you’ll be in that smaller numerator. Who wants to risk that?
everyyear, the number of flu patients in US is in tens of millions, even more than 50 million. In other words, each month, there should be more than 1 million flu patients, i.e, influenza-like illness. Now, the number of covid19 cases can not compete with seasonal flus
I've seen this sort of news again and again since the outbreak in China months ago. Should the rest of the world had learned from its experience and the other successful cases like S. Korea with serious before, the current disaster could have been avoided.
Covid 19 shows the failings of capitalism in the major capitalist countries.
yes the reports of positive cases far outnumber the reporting of asymptomatic ones, this bodes well for a possible herd immunity —although it must be said that it’s not guaranteed
Till it mutates then it's going to be all hell may break loose
This sounds alarming, but should be reassuring. Covid-19 takes 20-25 days to kill victims. The paper reckons that 7m Americans were infected from March 8th to 14th, and official data show 7,000 deaths three weeks later. The resulting fatality rate is 0.1%, similar to that of flu.
You’d think after Boris Johnson’s brush with death this mind-numbingly stupid idea around the ease of achieving herd immunity would’ve been squelched...
aginnt Wow. Who was saying that 5 weeks ago?
its like a 0.2% death rate most likely, there's 1.7m confirmed but thats like the amount the UK are said to have currently.
Account should be taken of the fact that the lack of a specific concern - like an ongoing pandemics - certainly made ILI under-reported in prior years.
Please think about it with your brain, if you have. What does this mean?
The Economist --disgusting media--knee 4 $, like NBA players, agent of China communist party's propaganda machine--enemy of American people.
OurMaldenMAts
Did anyone else think? Gee maybe it us the flu? A really bad flu.
Wouldn’t it be great if they came up with one vaccine that could protect us from them all!!!.....QuarantineThoughts
good for whom, monsters?
yes, anyone with a brain knows that. but covid spreads more, so more deaths, and they pile up faster. and don't forget how under reported the deaths are
Dumb post. no kidding.
This does not take into account the other variables. Infection is not uniform nor automatic. This may be a transportation/travel pattern -- not about a virus.
covid-20: hold my beer.
Tests I know of showed Influenza A. Pretty bad this season.
Correlation is not the same as causation.
Without expanded testing we won't know... will we?
Harmful COVID disinformation. But what else does one expect from ?
No. No. No. SARS-CoV-2 is a very dangerous Virus, it attacks you all the time that It brings your immunsystem to colapse.
If ..... w/o dying
Or not.
Thank you for pointing out what I thought was obvious: If our 'number of cases' rises much faster than our 'deaths' and 'hospitalizations', that is a GOOD thing! There is a theory that California might be doing relatively well because COVID-19 actually spread much sooner in CA.
God promises to quiet you with his love when you are feeling down and out in life.
STFU
Really? if you are going to go down that route, then lets look at deaths from pneumonia, heart attacks, organ failure or unkown causes as well.
It is less deadly, until ICU rooms are full and there’s not enough equipment to treat all the critical patient. Then it becomes much much deadlier. But of course the genius people at already know this
A death rate of 1% in a country of 300 million, is 3 million dead.
Maybe the word 'less' can be replaced with 'slow'
COVIDー19 is deadly enough to destroy the health care system !
A couple people in my social circles had bad respiratory illness way back in January...
I hope this is true.
Data shows usa had Non-flu influenza-like illnesses in 2019. Did we have it covid19 in 2019?!
We don’t know some key metrics. How many people have it and how many have had it? How many have died and of those how many died who would have died in the next 12 months? How many have died who had 10/20/30 projected years? And so on .....
The US response to the pandemic, with all the resources at it's disposal, is stupid. You are lobbying for the same. Ditto with UK. The wake up call in UK was when their PM, none the less, got infected. Are you waiting for Trump to get infected?
Yesterday you people also came with a nonsensical story? I mean WTF...
pure guess work. thank you!
Anyone with a brain would argue we need time to ramp up our medical system. But it seems every Gov. says ~50% of the state population will get it in the next 9-12 months. So either 2 million people are going to die, or it's not as deadly as they say. Somebody tell me which is it?
less bad news isn't good; murdering the poor and vulnerable isn't a good thing its murder
Probably... until it is given the freedom to mutate into something nastier.
Add 10-20x (maybe more) to the number of reported cases and that’ll give you a better idea of the real numbers.
If anyone has wondered what a trend line looks like, this is a good example. There seems to be only one egregious outlier, which is in the top right-hand quadrant.
My entire family (Connecticut, USA) fell ill this February, even after we were all vaccinated for the flu in the fall. My kid had an incessant, dry cough for two weeks straight, accompanied by a fever. I am still wondering whether it was COVID-19!
Maybe.. We are seeing different strains of the virus. You may just have flu like symptoms or you could immediately need a ventilator ~
Mixed deaths, who knows statistics veracity in different countries? May be some using for politics, some for economy failure, some to retain /lose power?
The real death count won’t be known until all the deceased are taken from storage and tested.
good
Or those without medical insurance are dying in their homes...
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