What a Russia-Ukraine peace agreement might look like

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CHAKRABARTI: Yes, understood. Lieutenant Kerrick, let me turn back to you here just to add a little bit more detail. Please correct me if I'm getting any of this wrong. But what part of Dayton involved the agreement that there would be some 60,000 NATO troops involved in helping secure the peace. A third of those were American, that produced some pushback here in the United States, I should note.

CHAKRABARTI: So, Dr. Wittke. I mean, the truth is that there is no such thing as a perfect peace. Yeah, so tell me more about that. What does history say about peace agreements that have worked, or at least yielded the longest period of a cessation of violence against civilians? I mean, that seems to be a pretty low bar, but that's where we are right now.

WITTKE: Yes, exactly. This is what I meant of coding the conflict into the peace agreement because it actually implies that those three ethnicities will always share the political power. And that we are keeping Bosnia in this permanent state of transformation, from war to actually a peace. But it excludes basically other ethnicities or other political powers and traps them, so to say, in this war balance of power between exclusively those three ethnicities.

CHAKRABARTI: Do you think, General Kerrick, that Russia, as it observed how Dayton unfolded in 1995 and then was called the imperfect peace that has lasted in Bosnia for the subsequent quarter-century? There are obviously several very fierce critics of the Dayton Peace Accords, but do you think Russia learned any lessons about what can and can't be done during these kinds of negotiations?

[Archival Tape] HOLBROOKE: By the last few hours, the issues were very small in relationship to what had been achieved. 99%, more than 99% was finished. But there's a question at the end of the negotiation like this. Not of substance, but a political will. If you pick up the pen and put your initials on a piece of paper, or do you keep seeking more and more and more so you never get there?

It’s a bad idea to negotiate with war criminals.

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