yashar Everything in our lives is in a database , just a click away from our life story, why when it comes to firearms it seems to be 1962 with some old lady pulling a card catalog written in pencil?
And the national emergency is on the southern border?
MaeveReston I would be interested in knowing more about what went down to make this guy brake down and do this. Being mistreated by an employer, is an everyday occurrence. people don't understand how devastating losing your job is.
lauferlaw Don’t forget the parking tickets
MaeveReston Should have read, government background checked screwed up again as gunman should NOT have been able to obtain weapon
We need to do better.
NikkiMedoro If all the anti-gun people would focus on the killers and not the weapons we might get somewhere on this issue
NikkiMedoro If all the anti-gun people would focus on the killers and not the weapons we might get somewhere on this issue. and not the
So the system was in place but someone didnt do their job.
JoshMankiewicz Proof gun control laws fail when a criminal really wants a gun.
guypbenson Our current laws are not being followed. It’s time to hold those accountable for failing to do their jobs. Too many of these tragedies could have been avoided!
The government has failed every single time there is a mass shooting incident. Can we start having mental health treatment discussions instead of focusing on gun bans. We have mentally unstable people walking around who may need involuntary treatment.
MaeveReston Probably his Felony Conviction Pardoned after Illinois gives Felons the right to vote
JGunlock Terrible. So in one of the most difficult states to purchase a gun, a man with a storied criminal history had a background check, but it missed a 1995 event - 19 years earlier. Then, 5 years after that, he shoots up the place. Definitely a 2A problem, right DLoesch?
Sounds like daily anti gun propaganda “believe nothing you see and half of what you hear” everything is a lie!
wasn't much of a background check, was it. Useless
The background check only checks what has been properly entered into the system. It’s not the fault of the check it’s the fault of those entering the data.
MaeveReston Maybe it’s not about adding more controls as much as doing a better job enforcing laws that are already in place.
Stricter gun controls couldn’t have prevented this but a wall could
I dont own a gun, but before there are more gun laws. What if we make sure the laws that are in place are acually fallowed correctly...
I actually understand tsa missing a screen here and there... but isnt this computer based info How does this happen
Surprise surprise, been waiting for this kind of BS false flag to hit the media since I first heard Trump declare a national emergency. Dems are scrambling to try to “show” us that guns are bad by ANY means necessary. Pathetically predictable.
trump have to find out the solution on this shit
This is the national emergency!! 🚨
These type of articles might make sense if it was actually difficult to obtain a gun in America. But it’s ridiculously easy. You might as well do a story about where the gunman got his socks.
JuddApatow Build the wall, build the wall ...
arlenparsa Yay 2A !
Hey trump, here’s our national emergency and he didn’t come across the border.
morgfair No he was sent a letter to tirn in his gun. He did not and it was never taken from him. 5 innocent people are now dead
All the open borders people are aghast at a shooting....
We need an Australia-type solution. A nationwide enforced gun buyback.
Oh the law failed? I guess we should abolish all laws since they don’t work.
GunControlNow
Maybe the company should have used Mental Health First Aid with this employee when they thought of firing him.
SouthernKeeks Illinois has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. They didn't work again.
How many times have these things fallen through the cracks now? This is serious!! We should show more caution in keeping criminal records current when permits for deadly weapons are at stake, for heaven's sake!! Are we really this careless & incompetent in the age of high tech?
SouthernKeeks That’s really not supposed to happen! Every legal purchase needs a check, and **tightening up all background checks must be priority one. This was avoidable. 😞
LOL Way to go America
So are we ready to talk about more comprehensive background checks yet?
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Missed it?
Our gun laws need to be tightened, yeah that's old news. That's the NationalEmergency The person who sold him the firearm needs to sit in jail for a while too.
Well that worked out well. So sad for all those hurt, maimed, and killed in such a senseless act of violence.
To those who want more gun control, we already have too much gun control. We can't police all the laws already on the books. To those who want less gun control, you already got it. Cuz again, we can't police all the laws already on the books. To wit: fuck all y'all.
So government failed again?
JussieSmollett staged this
Not the gun that kills ppl; ppl kill people- guns,knives automobiles are just the tools used.
rednek_scholar This why we need him cuntrol. If they be laws prevention this then he would not be able to buy that gun.😡😡😡
As long as the NRA keeps paying off the republican party this will go on and on. That is why the Russian's targeted the GOP and NRA what better way to destroy our country have Americans kill each other thousand every year. And the greedy GOP will help.
JuddApatow Thoughts and prayers. No action. Lather, rinse, repeat.
So. The take away from this is.... Government failed again.
Sounds to me like either the court, for not properly filing the conviction, or the background check company is to blame for this.
So another issue with laws already in place. We definitely need more laws
JuddApatow Perhaps we can improve background checks?
need stricter Gun Laws.....this is very very sad!
Apparently a reporter didn’t miss it. What a complete bs outright lie.
The guy snapped and let his emotions get in the way of common sense. The individual is the problem, not the weapon. Control your emotion’s and grow the hell up! The world is not a safe place, be vigilant and be prepared.
Jhogan552 This is misleading and inaccurate. The background check did not include fingerprints. When he applied for CC permit with fingerprints, it was denied and police contacted him to surrender gun.
A what check where?
Friggin felon passes the vaunted background check
See? We've been saying this !
So, background checks only work when authorities do their damn jobs, go figure. What good are more gun laws if they're incapable of enforcing those already in place? Doesnt it seem like authorities had a chance to stop the last 5 shooters before their acts? Like they didnt try
Reports state he was able to purchase the handgun March 11, 2014. Where did he purchase it?
A nationwide database would have prevented that 2014 purchase!!
Then the system needs improving. Don’t punish lawful gun owners.
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So , a law wasn't observed. Well I guess more laws are the answer. Police the bureaucrats. And you might get laws that are carried out
Add five more lives to the NRA’s death toll. The one the GOP is so proud of
JuddApatow Gee, imagine that, existing laws not being properly enforced, and Dems think more laws will help?
Can we get gun laws followed please.
JohannavanEeden Darn legal citizen !
Bless the families
JuddApatow National emergency
Actually the original background check didn’t include fingerprinting. It wasn’t until he applied for a carry and conceal permit did the fingerprinting reveal the aggravated assault.
ericspillman Wow.
If, should’ve, could’ve, and would’ve can’t buy you a piss hole in the snow.
Well, I guess it didn’t. And that’s the problem. We find this out after the fact because someone didn’t do their job. And this is the result.
Damn it mr. Trump build the wall already!!!!! Oh wait........ 😬😬😬😬
Another person that should not have been able to get a gun. Someone failed to do their job, or some stupid rule or regulation prevented them from doing their job. Bottom line the guy did not legally own the gun. Not the guns people, it is the people that get the guns.
Via a civil lawsuit could bring some stricter means to avoid these mistakes - something tells me that the seller and the State could be found liable of negligence: one for selling the weapon the other for neglecting procedure.
Middle-aged white guy was the shooter. What? Middle-aged black guy was the shooter. There goes that stereotype.
Missed it?
JuddApatow Let's get BillGates designing that new database.
Those background checks are a joke.
JuddApatow And we call these United States a 1st world country?
Who ran the background check that missed this? What’s the charge for them?
There should be fresh check and mental health certificate as well.
JuddApatow Sounds like a real, actual Federal emergency
Great job NRA! Deleting that fingerprinting requirement from Brady Bill background checks got 5 people killed yesterday in Aurora. 4 “good guys with guns” were shot too. (Just to be clear — I’m referring to the Aurora, IL mass shooting, and not the Aurora, CO mass shooting.)
selectedwisdom GUNCONTROL BACKGROUNDCHECK How hard does it really have to be, people!!
Remember what ChuckGrassley did in Feb 2017 - chief sponsor of a bill to make it easier for mentally impaired to buy a gun and keep their names off the FBI database. The first bill signed by Trump ParklandShooting StandWParkland HouseDemocrats SenateDems
I suppose it's a sign of social progress that the police chief in our latest American gun massacre is a woman.
Good to know our system is working hunky dorily.
selectedwisdom BUILD THE WALL! Oh, wait....
What? Another government failure? No way.
James Comey’s FBI screws the America people over yet again with this background check failure. FBIfail
*We already have background checks!* Oh, really?
This!
Was it missed or ignored?
Proving once again the 2nd Amendment ensures my rights to kill my fellow coworkers over their rights for me not to kill them. Repeal the 2nd Amendment. Repeal it now
MrJonCryer This. This is the National emergency realDonaldTrump Do something about gun violence in our country.
Susan_Hennessey Was it in a database the was accessible for the check?
bruntofitall That's just wrong.
People constantly scream for more 'gun laws' every time, when the true issues aren't addressed. Another example of if people enforced the laws currently in place, it could have possibly been avoided.
Susan_Hennessey and no wall would have helped.
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That cost 5 people their lives... Now Let's hear it for Background Checks... Ooops...
ericspillman Background gun control wasn't good enough because it didn't had the information of his felonies. What's happening?
Background checks don’t work. Having a firearm in your possession does work...
Was this the Federal NICS background check system, or an Illinois-state-run system? Just like in the Air Force shooting, any database is only as good as the people feeding data into it.
This seems to be common but everybody jump in the NRA and gun owners for a government mistake
KrisKetzKMBC No doubt the workplace was a 'gun free zone.'. We are vulnerable at our jobs.
Where were all the good guys with their guns?
Update the data base with current software!! How old are their data systems that it missed it!!... unacceptable!
KrisKetzKMBC Background check didn't work, so we need a law mandating background checks. liberallogic
Susan_Hennessey Now this is a national emergency. Sighing.
selectedwisdom Time for victims and their families to sue gun shops, gun shop owners, the state gov responsible for doing background checks and the shooter’s family for not reporting- threaten their financial security and maybe we can keep guns away from those that would kill
Susan_Hennessey So who messed up the background check
selectedwisdom Violated a protective order. Arrested for Domestic violence. At least 4 additional arrests. Has a gun. Thank you GOP for doing nothing.
FedUpGOPer that part is on the nra
Government really needs to work on that NICS database. That is too many people who had criminal records able to purchase a weapon through legal channels and not being denied purchase.
Awful. We have got to implement common sense controls to keep innocent people safe
lauferlaw A man with that record should never have been allowed a handgun. This is getting ridiculous. Enough already
The real national emergency 🚨
I am reminded of logic: if “should have,” ➡️“thoughts and prayers”
And another white Male terrorist
So how are more laws supposed to stop this if the government can’t enforce the simple ones already on the books?
guypbenson Who is conducting the background check?
Fix NICS Act would have stopped this.
Figures!
Another case for GunControl
pricklyeater This is a REAL NationalEmergency .... take away their guns GOP NRA and America will be GREAT again !!
This is the ACTUAL emergency.
JulieJoyHope Maybe making reporting to NICS non mandatory was a bad idea?
So the nra twits shout, “See laws don’t work! Abolish them all!” (Not realizing what they’re actually demanding or how stupid it is). Way over due time to make responsible gun laws and make them effective. No more empty gop gestures where they make a law and then gut it.
Build that wall!
So in other words law enforcement fucked up. Go ahead. You can say it. We all know it wasn’t the gun or a need for stricter laws that could have prevented it. The FBI and possibly local PD fucked up. Call it like it is. Don’t sugar coat it
Why is he being called gunman instead of domestic terrorist.
Yeah because it is so hard to buy a gun on the streets? 1995 Bill Clinton in office Oh wait I guess Media will blame Trump for the lack of background check and purchase of gun since you know he controls the past and failures of others!
chichiplus To the person who checked a box, that let this man get a gun... these people, who were murdered. THAT'S ON YOU !!
Yet Obama did nothing about gun Violance in the 8 years he was in office.
lauferlaw Background checks need to be mandatory and loopholes need to be closed. Loss of license for any dealer who does not comply 100%
Missed? Really? We’re trusting a system/person that “Missed” a life saving detail! Smh
Well i can see why we need more Law's so there will be more that the 'Checkers' can Overlook and then Blame the Legal Law abiding Gun Owners for other's Mistakes
Gee, maybe we should make the laws we have WORK?
Ooooooops!
Gun reform and mental health must be addressed in parallel. This isn't an either/or debate. These issues are the real national emergency in America. NationalEmergency
Oh boy!😔
So in other words, more stringent background checks would have prevented this. A win for gun control.
An incident like this perhaps points to the need for armed security to be present at any employee termination meeting. No guns permitted in the workplace with metal screening at the entrances might also help. People will squawk about this, but this is the price of the 2nd Amend.
Clearly we need a better system for background checks.
More flawed leftist America hating logic. Will you geniuses in fakenews explain in detail; how in the hell would the existing system stop a criminal from buying a gun, from another criminal? No answer. Law biding gun owners are the victims of post constitutional policy.
So it’s the governments fault cause guess what they perform background checks. Little Irinic don’t you think?
emmbee1002 He was a white, home grown terrorist. Will Trump build a wall around Aurora? Gun reform IS a national emergency. AuroraShooting
So criminals don’t obey the law but more laws will change that?
yashar So basically there are laws on the books that should have prevented him from getting this gun, but government was not efficient enough to enforce said laws.......... So tell me again how stricter laws would have prevented this.
When are background checks really background checks?
This is a nationalemergency
Here’s the real state of emergency!
guypbenson Yep. That good old government for you...now if you’d just put them in charge of your own personal health. .....
Another government screw up. Way to go!
Fewer guns = less risk for law enforcement. This guy was no hardened criminal. When guns are everywhere ordinary men use them to deal with frustration.
We need a better background check system in place ASAP. One that requires local, state & federal law enforcement to share information. Consider it building a wall to keep psychopaths from getting guns JohnCornyn RogerWilliamsTX
Next we will find out he's a FBI informant
yashar Cool.
Blame the database.
Sounds like it wasn't an issue with existing laws then huh...
RobCalfee For many of our recent mass murders, there was a real failure in enforcement of existing laws. There needs to be accountability. We cannot just say oops and move on.
yashar :(
I agree, sellers who fail to do a thorough background check should be accountable
Resources must be allocated and prioritized to input the data. Then sufficient time to run the checks need to be allowed. Universal Background Check for ALL gun purchases, no exceptions.
RobCalfee We have to become more serious about enforcing laws we have. Actually, where there is a failure like that some one is responsible. They should be held accountable.
The Left’s solution... well, we should just take everyone’s guns!
Problem with background checks is you get what you paid for.
It wouldn't have shown up on that check. It did show up later when he went for his CHP. He was then prohibited from owning a firearm. His possession was illegal and he was aware.
guypbenson UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CH...wait wut?
CHARGE THE PERSON WHO RUBBERED STAMP HIS PERMIT WITH MANSLAUGTHER
Got to fix the hole we have before venturing into other ares.
Democrats fault. They did the background check and didn't do their job. They let a criminal get a gun.
Throw money at it. U know, like everything else. Here also had domestics and protective order he violated. When these charges came up here should have had to give up any guns.
guypbenson Who handles background checks?
BRamos0289 Properly enforce the laws on the books and many of these tragedies wouldn’t have happened. But no.. we need more laws that will only punish people who’ve done nothing wrong.
dmrider Yes, blame Trump
SteveLemper FFS
I would also like to know if the other charges were plead down and why the domestic battery charge did not flag his ownership and his gun removed?
Yeah, more gun laws needed.
NRA
guypbenson Sure! I believe this report 😂😂😂 FF
Workplace Violence + Undiagnosed Mental Illness + Unlawful Firearm Possession = Tragic Conquences. Do you have a personal safety plan at work and st home?
Yet another government failure.
Good Lord this is poorly written. I'm gonna fix it for you: Aurora, Illinois police say the weapon recently used to kill 5 was purchased in 2014. A background check missed a 1995 aggravated assault conviction that should have prevented the sale.
They need to allow more time for background checks. Some states are instant and in others there is a wait period. I think we need a five or seven day wait. That should allow for a thorough background check. We also need to force police depts to submit the records to the database.
Digitize your records then, coppers.
cinnamongirl107 THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE WANT TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM IT DOESNT WORK!!!
yashar Shoulda, coulda, woulda. SMDH. 😒
White Privilege
That’s why we so against any new laws. Only the good will listen to law
It still doesn't matter because criminals can get guns no matter what the laws are. Crack Meth pills etc are illegal but there are 100s of thousands millions of crackheads addicts etc even though its illegal if you can find coke pills meth then you'd have NO problem getting a gun
Why was he fired ?
meg_Y12 So you drive without a license and you get your car impounded and possibly arrested but we don’t do anything to stop criminals from buying firearms legally?
We need an efficient and effective process to vet out dangerous people getting guns.
The gun seller didn’t do a fingerprint check so the prior conviction wasn’t caught until a concealed weapon permit request that included a fingerprint check revealed his prior conviction. He was asked to turn the weapon into the police he failed to do so.
byJenAMiller Follow up: How does a background check “miss” a conviction?
guypbenson Once again....
So what back ground checks wont stop the killings.Our country is being ruled bye hatred so its spreading
Background checks don’t work. Case in point
Aren't background checks done by FBI ?
Other news organizations are reporting that the firearm was purchased in 1994. Is that a misprint in your story?
Illinois sucks at everything JBPritzker GovPritzker I hope these families sue Illinois for millions
The system and laws failed to prevent this shooter, the Texas church shooting, the Parkland school shooting and countless others. Instead of targeting guns and proposing new laws, lets focus on making our current laws work better and actually do the job.
yashar Once again, this is a real national emergency.
But universal background checks and registries will prevent crime! We just need MORE gun laws. Pfffffttt. Each and every one of you assclowns that believe that should be forced to live in South Chicago.
yashar It’s almost as if he lied on his 4473! OMG! How could anyone have known someone that knew they couldn’t get a firearm may lie on a form! I’m shocked, shocked I tell you! 😲😲😲
To be more precise, the person running the background check (who?) missed the 1995 conviction. Why obscure the decision maker in this case?
Damn the Obama Administration
yashar
Trump’s gun laws in action !!
yashar I go to the store and they catch me using a coupon a day late but aggravated assault charges they miss.
Missed? Unacceptable
yashar This country needs struck guncontrols laws and cowardly Republicans are silent.
yashar WHO performed the background check
Obama’s fault.
Gee its almost like the current gun laws we have aren't being enforced. Maybe we should actually try enforcing current gun laws before adding more.
Arbitrary laws never have and never will prevent driven people from doing something that is outlawed by that law. Only clueless politicians, journalists and bureaucrats believe that. From a human management perspective you should always praise in public but condemn in private.
Yeah, but they say he was flagged when he applied for a concealed carry permit. He was denied. He was supposed to surrender his firearms. Obviously he did not!
guypbenson Hey Kamala how about holding govt workers accountable for this massacre They should gave denied this sale if they did a thorough Jonb which they never do. No pics on Twitter why? Could it be because he ISN'T white
If only these damn criminals cared about the laws SMDH 🤷🏻♂️ billpeduto at least these victims will “feel safer” before they become a future target. Sheesh
Conclusion: Invest in making existing background laws ACTUALLY work.
Let me guess AP...we need gun control (confiscation)
See, background check don’t work! So let’s not do anything at all and just let people shoot each other!
Next gun show in AZ is the 23rd of Feb, Do you know how many felons will there?
Another handgun killing, huh? So an assault rifle ban would have been completely useless.
If gun lovers can't control themselves, someone is going to do it for them. Gun lovers simply need to guarantee US all that unwarranted killings will stop. How? Well doing nothing doesn't fix it that's for sure. DO SOMETHING! Because if you're too stupid to try then step aside.
Once again the laws already in place failed due to likely human error.
GunControlNow GunReformNow
So once again, the inability of those charged with administering the laws on the books resulted in this person illegally obtaining a firearm, & millions of law abiding gun owners will have to pay the price for THEIR negligence. And their answer is to disarm law abiding citizens.
peterjhasson FixNICS
Maybe instead of passing new laws or banning firearms, we should really give enforcing the ones we have a shot and see if that works at all. Just an idea.
Herbert_L_Reed So that is a loophole that needs to be closed. How was that critical information missed?
Don't worry though, because the Aurora victims and their families are in realDonaldTrump 's thoughts, from the golf course. Why checks like this aen't mandatory is beyond me.
eegodess This is the emergency, not some stupid wall.
bobingle99 Missed? How? Which background check system? More likely the background check system she is referring to was designed that way, to make it easy for people to get guns. I don't buy her explanation.
guypbenson Who is doing the background checks? Shouldn’t they be held accountable for screwing it up?
The system our government has in place has failed us once again........
Yet another failure by law enforcement. You can have as many laws on the books as you want, but if you don't enforce them properly, stuff like this will always happen. Not that there's a way to stop all crime short of annihilating the entire human race.
dsupervilleap THIS is a NationalEmergency.
“Background check”
Another shooting that could have been prevented by laws already in place. Let’s make more laws.
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I’ve said this before and I know from criminal justice experience; we always want to pass new laws in this country, when failure to support and enforce EXISTING law is what causes most unnecessary problems and tragedy.
irina_florescu Yet another instance of a gun law not doing it's job. These peices of paper should be held to a higher standard. Another example of government taking a bunch of money to fund a program/law/regulation and not actually doing anything.
Gun owners should be required to carry insurance on their guns. Mandatory liability coverage please to reduce gun violence!!
Isn’t shooting police officers against the law?
NRA helps by allowing loopholes and bad execution of background checks.
Illinois firearm dealers do not use the FBI for the background check. Background checks are performed by the Illinois State Police, so it is quite possible that the conviction was overlooked.
And there’s goes the gun control argument out the window. Bad it’s somehow get the guns. Good guys can’t and people die because of it.
guypbenson Again the fbi under obama failed
It was obviously Trumps fault as a private citizen in 2014 when he bought it.
We should write a law than bans people from missing criminal history during background investigations. liberallogic
Maybe mention a few facts about the gunman who brutally murdered 5 persons!
How NRAcists see this news: Why do we need more laws when these laws don't work? I'll start with background checks and then it'll end up being forced labor camps.
He 'legally' bought a gun 'illegally' GunSense
Angelgtr1 Did government employees perform the check?
Let's go, Congress. You can fix this. Upgrade to digital records, improve software, link databases, etc.
Our gun laws are terrible. But Republicans and the man in the White House are beholden to the nra and don’t think this is a real emergency which it is
The only solution to this is more laws that also won’t be enforced.
guypbenson And the concealed carry permit app caught if and the FOID was revoked. What's the point? Does that mean people should give up firearms.
The government dropped the ball again.....
Whats the point of the background check system if its going to miss penalizing convictions. This was also the case with the convicted wife beater who shot up the Texas church. Universal background checks would be worthless.
dwinfrey72 This shit has got to stop
Gee, it's almost like laws and regulations aren't a miracle cure or something.
Who goes to jail for that?
what good are all the background checks and gun laws when NO ONE ENFORCES LAWS! Same thing happened in one of the other mass shootings! I can't even remember any more which one it was. Too many to keep track! Meantime, dems want to take guns away from law abiding citizens!
What's the look back period in a background check for gun purchasing?
So not applying current gun laws failed us again?
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Wow
Build the wall! Oh wait...
KPHennosy Beyond Reacting, We Must Evolve Solutions! NoLivesMatterUntilGunsRControlled by Self and/or aided by Gov. Regulation(s) (as Self Regulation, all too often, fails) “Well Regulated Firearms Owners & Local Community Choice Program”
guypbenson Another case where the system failed. Expanding regulations won't help one bit. How about trying to enforce the current ones? How do these people keep slipping through the cracks?
Black gunman** fixed it for you. We all know if he were white the media would put the race in the headline.
Govt doing what govt does, failing with your money on your behalf
guypbenson So the problem was the GOVERNMENT, not doing its job correctly & now ppl will be crying for the GOVERNMENT to do something. Lol
But of course....
So it’s not the Guns fault.
So background checks didn’t work? And more will?
SenTedCruz JohnCornyn when are you spineless senators going to do something about this getsomeballs ColinAllredTX
guypbenson Do a better job with existing laws. These mistakes are unacceptable, dangerous and fuel the anti gunners.
Maybe we just need a law that says existing gun laws should be enforced.
Lol Illinois has the some of strictest gun control law in the country so what now leftys Must be Trumps fault oh wait 95. Is when he bought it huh the Clinton's letting criminals slip through the cracks an you wanted Hillary for President. LiberalLogic
And there’s your national emergency.
guypbenson Tell me again about your amazing universal background check fantasy
You are NOT telling the whole truth, just that which you pick out. Both the CC and the license to buy were revoked do to the felony conviction.
lauferlaw Litigation should last one court day.
guypbenson Alyssa_Milano
guypbenson Sad we don't have enhanced background checks to miss that sort of thing...
I thought Illinois was the gold standard in background checks? CorruptState some humans will be horrible people and will do whatever they can to harm others regardless of the instrument.
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cclement873 I’m glad that background check worked , we have some great Government Employees !
AP instead of push your divide Americans agenda ,give the families of the victims,a chance to grief,he had the gun for 4 years no problems,you should be asking what was the motive which lead this individual to commit this unspeakable act,
Ban all guns. A civilized society doesn’t require them
This story line ....
This proves why we need National, comprehensive background checks.
But! But! Background checks save lives...oh wait......
This is why we need MandatoryOpenCarry for all non felonious citizens over the age of 18. MoreGunsNow MAGA
the NRA and gun sellers have only one interest, sell guns to make profits. public safety never their goal. Gun control laws are their enemy, and if they could avoid they would.
Who missed it and if they are still working they should be fired.
Where is the picture of this shooter? I got a few ideas as to why the media has not posted one.
So go after the background check. Oooorrrr take all the guns away. There is always 'A' person responsable. It's never the gun. Let's be outraged at the thing that failed. Enforce the current gun laws 100% and see if it works.
Once again a tragedy happened because the system failed. When are politicians going to fix the system?
But, but, but....universal background checks are supposed to fix this problem, right?
Bigger failing was not going and picking up the gun after the failed concealed carry application and FOID revocation.
Anybody wanna bet the shooter is a brainwashed demorat l!btrd?!!!!
peterjhasson I somehow doubt the background check 'missed' the conviction. Either it wasn't entered into the system, or he lied on the form.
Did you know criminals ignore gun laws? I don't, as a law abiding gun owner, but criminals do:
This is one more gun laws will not work. We are humans and we make errors. Mental health should be addressed.
CflowersChasExp There is always a crack
Why are the majority of mass shootings occurring in this country? This is the real emergency not the FakeEmergency .
A properly administered background check could have prevented this tragedy...that should be the message. Tougher gun laws are needed......they were needed YESTERDAY.
Wouldn't it he great If cops started suing states for putting them in danger by not enforcing their own gun laws. This guy with a gun shot cops.
Blah blah blah
Time to update and nationalize universal background checks in 1 national data base
Illinois, with such strict gun laws screws up again.
Great. Cue the NRA whackadoos.
Someone in government didn't properly do their job....imagine my surprise...
The year of our smog President, BarackObama? The POTUS44?
KOINNews If he failed the back ground check, he would of got a gun somewhere else. It is easier and cheaper to buy a gun on the street. He would of obtained a gun regardless. Please people, be smarter.
Lax laws , uneduated gun sellers!
So existing laws should have prevented the issue and new laws won’t fix that. Again before new laws are added the solution is to properly enforce ones on the books. The rest is political theatre.
Which is exactly why the massive holes in the background checks system, such as state reporting requirements, need to be fixed.
So again proving that government doesn't work to enforce laws and rules already on the books. They don't want to remove guns from criminals, they want to remove them from everyone but themselves. But we knew that. I'll be keeping mine.
It's almost like the government is incapable of enforcing the laws it already has....
Shouldn't have let the pos out of prison and should eliminate all gun free zones!
sounds about white
peterjhasson Everyone here: We need more laws to enforce the laws. How about we start holding those in power responsible for not enforcing the laws already in place. But that won’t happen. Just more Anti-Gun bullshit.
Yet another shoulda, coulda, woulda possibly prevented gun violence.
CommonSenseGunLaws mean background checks that are thoroughly accurate. This should have never happened. If you have a history of violence, you automatically lose your right to own guns. Learn to *think* before you act. It’s useful advice for life in general.
Yet no one is calling on throwing the state examiners in jail for incompetence ....
Sounds like the background check system needs reviewing & fixin
Surely, the characterisation 'shouldn't have owned the gun' applies equally to any mass murderer?
bountytx notice how it always seems to be 5 that is killed....
How did a background check 'miss' that? It's data, on a file, not a Human decision. He failed a concealed carry check days later, why didn't the police confiscate the weapon he'd incorrectly been sold days earlier? Others need to be charged for failing in their basic duties.
Another violent Felon with guns. SO sick and tired of this. It MUST stop
Illinois doesn’t enforce its already stringent gun laws. Why is that?
Nice.
Lawsuit against the seller of the gun? Could help, if sellers suffer consequences for selling guns to people who fail background checks. Sellers would be more thorough with the background check. This has to stop.
What a surprise, lax gun laws doesn't make us safer.
Again, the law enforcers fall short (wonder how much $$ the NRA supports their secret associations?
So the answer is more background checks 🙄
It’s always something. You know that if the gun itself were banned we wouldn’t have to worry about these kinds of slip ups.
CBS6Albany Want to make more gun laws when we can’t even enforce the ones we have.. 🤦♂️
That program software needs an overhaul if you miss something that huge!
So the people doing the background check should be punished for this, right? It wont be enforced if theres no consequences.
We all heard that before. Just another lapse.
Ok, so background checks aren't really the answer either.
KamalaHarris Government failed us again, but we should continue to give up our rights because...
Oh, but we need more background checks. Was there anything in his social media? That’s the dems great new plan.
Are laws sufficient but not sufficiently applied ?
So pass another law that’ll be missed or not enforced. US district attorneys only prosecute 1% of people who lie on mandatory background checks anyway.
And when he applied for a Conceal Carry license, it was discovered, his FOID card revoked, but the gun not confiscated. Why?
'missed'?!? 🤔
We need realistic background checks for guns everywhere.
peterjhasson But these laws are supposed to stop shootings. Do you get it yet?
backgroundchecks
Guess background checks don’t work huh
The NRA & Republican Party have blood on their hands! They are not pro-life. They are pro-death of Americans if it means more votes & money!
I’d put a few $ on him being just one of thousands
The system worked once again -thanks NRA 2AShallNotBeInfringed 2aisafarce NationalEmergency GunViolence GunReform gunrights Entitled2ADouchenozzles
So the state police have known since 2014 that he had a felony record and was illegally in possession of a handgun, but they didn't bother to do anything about it...
So the gun laws are working
Useless gun control
I thought background checks worked. What’s the point of more of them if they don’t work? If the people in charge can’t do their jobs correctly?
Lol. I’m sorry. What?
the federal government has absolutely no right to restrict or deny an American from owning a firearm!! 'the people shall be able to keep and bear Arms, and shall not be infringed.'
But you forget that this was a disgruntle employee who had worked for the same company for 15 years and was dismissed with the click of a finger. Of course he snapped! His life was probably left in ruins. He would have gotten a gun one way or another.
Now watch as gun nuts twist this into an argument that background checks shouldn't exist at all.
Was the shooter an immigrant
Not much point in having gun laws and background checks, is there?
Cuz criminals always follow the law...how shocking🙄
So the police had 4+ years to retrieve that gun from Mr. Martin and failed to do so? And now 4 people are dead because he had this weapon ILLEGALLY? What's the sense in making laws if they are not enforced. Looks like the families of those dead have the basis for a lawsuit
It’s because it’s NOT a true background check. It’s merely a check to spot his name on a no buy list
How can the left blame Trump for this
THIS is why we need gun reform. Unfortunately, republican lawmakers care more about lobby money & votes from gun fanatics than they do Americans lives...
peterjhasson How convenient... A background check issue.
kfor
guns don't kill, background checks do
It's almost as if the government is incompetent or something.
Ok so wheres the real MALE police chief
Don't worry, even though law enforcement failed in this case, I'm sure there will be calls for more laws anyway.
Well, the good news is that he is not a Mexican rapist killer, so nobody will care about this in about 2 days ... 😑
That is why we need STRONG Background checks
Hope this “WALL” will stop all these inside job mass shootings!!
Man, I don't know what's going on in society but some individuals should just be whiped out/deleted from this earth coz they are just garbage 👎👎👎
Terrible
At some point you got to say America gets what it deserves.
GunReformNow
NRA helped get laws passed that prevent agencies like ATF from digitizing records. NRA doesn't WANT background checks to work. They want guns for all. The body count doesn't matter.
he bought it 'legally' ... the state knew he bought it and allowed it 🙄
Everything fluxing per usual..
Also not being reported is that he was a democrat
Can the victims family's sue the state ?
But tell me more about how it's all those criminals with illegal guns and legal gun owners don't commit any crimes. I'll wait here.
Should have built a wall around his house
So, the gun laws didn’t work?
Maybe we should make sure we are enforcing the laws we got before trying any new ones... Just a thought. 😒
How do you miss a FELONY conviction?
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