, the nightlife icon and Li’s frequent collaborator, dubbed the 36-year-old artist “the high priestess of heartbreak and sadness.” On the eve of the album’s release, Ronson called Li for a chat about psychedelic revelations, breakups, and coming to terms with your own dance floor bangers. —RONSON: Of course! I just watched the films, and they’re so extraordinary. I like to joke that you’re the high priestess of heartbreak and sadness, but the films were so gut-wrenchingly moving.
LI: What I realized when I was lying on my floor completely heartbroken and writing this album is that I was stuck in a cycle of my own making. It became almost comical—I was like, “Making albums is a cycle in itself. You make the album, you do the videos, and you go on tour, you’re exhausted. I became obsessed with the idea of repetition—everything in nature is cyclical. As I was making this album, I was also doing a lot of psychedelic therapy to alter my own patterns.
RONSON: Is there a sense that, if you close enough of these circles, you can move forward into something that’s not as tragic as heartbreak? LI: I wanted to end on a god frequency. I was obsessed with neurology while I was working on the album. The problem with me is when I make albums, I just make them for myself. It felt like such a heavy album—like a big fat pastry of suffering—and I needed time to decompress. Also, I was so interested in the environment leak through at the end, like in a movie. That song is my final scene, alone in the rain, while the credits roll.
RONSON: You definitely extol the virtues of psychedelics as therapy. I fully believe in therapy and I’ve used plenty of psychedelics, but I’ve never really combined the two. Did that bring you healing? LI: I’m so happy right now, which is quite strange for me and also very scary because I’ve never felt this way. I’m trying to be okay with leaning into love and peace.
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