This time it's the turn of Ken Loach, the 83-year-old icon of socially conscious cinema, who somewhat unsurprisingly suggested that the adventures of Iron Man, Thor and company weren't among his favorite on-screen offerings., the two-time Palme d'Or-winning Brit described Marvel's output as "boring" and cynically produced.
"They're made as commodities like hamburgers, and it's not about communicating, and it's not about sharing our imagination," he said. "It's about making a commodity which will make a profit for a big corporation – they're a cynical exercise. They're a market exercise, and it has nothing to do with the art of cinema. William Blake said, 'When money is discussed, art is impossible.
Loach follows Francis Ford Coppola, who branded Marvel titles "despicable," and Martin Scorsese, who sparked the debate when he said they were "theme park films," adding later that they were "invading" cinema. The conversation is unlikely to die down anytime soon, with the question now having become a staple for any interview with a non-Marvel director.
Why? Jealous because they bring the audience so much fun and energy and humor? You don’t have to make films all serious y’know. You say the same about Star Wars? The Ring trilogy? the Hobbit movies? You jealous because they are among the highest grossing films of all time?
Poor marvel 😂, but hey those are movies targeting kids,younger audiences it’s never going to have a joker, Logan, TDK, type of fee, but it’s ok they don’t need to
Lol 🤣
And people will still go into cinema like they did before.! I think the industry should reconsider their concept of how to define success of a movie. A Movie need years in production, but within a weekends box office it will be called flop or top!
You can like them or hate them. Do the movies let people sleep outside of the cinema on the release date. They did! I’d never seen people do this in front of a burger shop. I think they should check, that there more people who go into the cinema then before!
Did that guy work for free? No, so shut the hell up!
Marvel Scorsese Cinema movies Film
'Get off my lawn!'
what the fuck is wrong with hamburgers?
Who?
Can we rule out that they're just upset none of them were considered for a new Howard the Duck film?
Probably hasn't seen a single Marvel movie.
Due to the fact the trailers make his films look ridiculously boring and depressing I’ve never watched one. I prefer my escapism to be just that. If it wasn’t for Marvel there wouldn’t be any cinemas open to show how boring films.
I'm glad there's a thing called genres. It's about giving people choices. If we didnt have that, we might stop watching movies. Not everyone can or want to watch Scorcese or Loach movies. Don't discredit the big franchises just because they were popular enough to become one.
Pineapple pizza: Why the hell did we became so controversial? Marvel: Hold my beer.
We’re now at the point where people the masses don’t know will look at bashing Marvel for easy pub. Great.
This is very funny. Now who's next? Come Out your cave and say marvel is shit. See nothing happened. You don't like these movies. Many people likes it. Deal with it
Why are we doing this again?
Has a crowded theater ever erupted in screams and cheers during one of his movies? These guys are just jealous that they can't have that level success.
The 'Happy Meal' of film to appease shareholders.
To those who ask who Ken Loach is. You have nothing to be proud of. Your ignorance says a lot about you. And it's not good for Marvel movies, since their fans are so ignorant
They are made so they can be sold in China
Who?
Who?
It’s this sort of elitist attitude that is keeping any sort of “art house “ films from breaking through to main stream audiences.
Yeah whatever dude
*has to look up KenLoachSixteen on IMDB to find out who he is*
First question asked when interviewing a director in 2019 - 'What do you think of Marvel movies?'
How to write a Marvel movie: Hero has super powers, villain is connected to hero in some way, something that glows is important for some reason, fight.
While I do like some of the movies, it is made lije in the samw tpne
Billion dollar juicy burgers.
SupesBatsy Kim Masters adding another name to the list:
Who's Ken Loach?
You know y'all can just... stop asking these guys about Marvel, right?
I’m detecting an organized agenda by top industry people (first Scorsese, then Coppola, and now Loach) to denigrate Marvel and comic book films in general. I haven’t gotten to the bottom of it yet, but I’m keeping my eyes open.
Amen. I swear if I have to watch another “super hero” movie it will be the death of me — so that I no longer have to be in this insufferable world.
I love a good hamburger.
Lots of old white men have found a way to get publicity by dumping on Marvel 🤦♂️
Shut up, Ken
About how on the mark Ken’s statement is...as Stan Lee would say, nuff said.
And yet no one's complaining when a different war movie with a vaguely familiar premise comes out every year. Men in Black, Sherlock, Terminator, Star Wars... Yes, there's a lot but there's a lot of dc films too. It's based on comics, wanna check how many of those there are?
Who?
This is the best shot of the marvel movies franchise
Who?
Congratulations, Ken, on the first and last time you’ll ever be mentioned in the same sentence as Scorcese and Coppola.
He ain’t wrong.
He literally said superhero movies wtf
In my opinion if a movie creates an emotional response it is cinema. Endgame has comedy, drama, make you laugh then feel excitement, and finally cry.
Absolutely true.
This is suppose to be insulting?
Well said. Just comparing “Kes”to these repetitious junks demonstrates the qualities necessary to make a real film, which are completely absent in those “theme parks” and the mind of their supporters. I’m not gonna say anything about aesthetics.
This is so boring😪😪 anyways, all the marvel fans are ready for the new phase of the MCU. So, what else matters
Scorcese 76, Coppola 80, Loach 83. See the trend?
Ken Loach made his best movie in 1969 :Kes: nothing really has touched it since then, if Marvel is Hamburgers then Kens directions since Kes could be described as Spam... Come on Kes.....ya B*****d
He is right too
This is getting out of hand now, and secondly
he's not wrong, they're made solely to make money, not to be excellent cinema
I'm glad these directors are calling out Marvel for their crappy movies
and he's right!
I don't think anyone walked away from a marvel movie saying, ' That was some or the best writing and acting I've ever witnessed'. The movies are fluff. The soul purpose-- to sale merchandise to children.
Whereas his films are pure left wing propaganda.
Now Ken Loach has jumped on the anti-Marvel band wagon of old boys moaning at the woobly doobly flashing lighty wighty fit inducing super duper movies
Ok... who’s switching these old people meds?
True
He's right. They are.
Here's a picture of me eating a Marvel film. 🤣🍔
so true MajorTom92_ paulhumphreys_5 Paul your taste in films disgusts me
They're more like Pringles. They perfectly stack on top of each other, nicely packaged. Lots of flavours. Still Pringles though.
Old white men just keep piling on.
and what’s wrong with that?
There’re actually those that think that those burgers are real meat?
But... people love burgers.
If that’s how he feels, then how does he feel about his country giving Ireland back their land.....
They’re obviously formulaic but they’re still entertaining movies. Honestly these people coming out to trash them just sound jealous as hell.
Seriously, though for Marx everything produced under capitalism is a commodity. It doesn't bare on its use value or aesthetic value at all. Though, I could find a burger as carefully made as the best Marvel entertainments I'd be more than happy.
Ohwell
Marvel movies, like the McRib or a Starbucks pumpkin spice latte, are perfectly constructed consumer products engineered and marketed for maximum consumability. What they ain't is cinema.
What’s a Ken Loach? 😂
Anybody that eats hamburgers is not human.
He’s right The MCU has fart and poop jokes meant for the dumbed down generation
The fuck?
Hes not wrong tho is he? The 'woke' youth of today gobble it up despite constant criticism of the system
Yes, that's why there's a new Marvel movie in the theaters every month.
logansteven He's right.
If you want to bash the superhero movies, don't bash the MCU. Bash the DCEU. They are terrible movies.
🍔🍔🍔🍔 MarvelStudios Nothing like waking up to good news. Who’s next? Alejandro González Iñárritu? Oh wait... watch Birdman 🤣
There are going to be many butthurt MCU Fanboys today.........
❤
ThefilmB Yup. Lots of bun...little actual burger.
This quote basically sums up the entire argument , “When money is discussed, art is impossible”.
These are the only films that come out that arent remakes of old films. Literally zero people in these studios are creating anything. At least Marvel gives a narrative even if it takes ten years to tell the whole story 🤷🏾♂️
Scorsese, Foster, Aniston, and now Loach... Please, stop it! Most MarvelStudios movies are awesome, packed with fantastic performances by great, talented actors. Respect their work and, why not?, respect their fans too. ChrisEvans RobertDowneyJr chrishemsworth Marvel
The old age is over. Scorsese, Coppola and others had their moment, had their impact.
Who?
mishalalgharib here we go again 😂 تفضل شوف
No shit lol, Hollywood has always embraced commercial films this is why the independent film sector sprang up
Here's a still from Ken Loach's McDonald's commercial (1988)
Sure, ancient one. We'll take that Marvel is indeed a huge 'commodity'. After all, their market demands is really high anyway, globally. We gotta be proud, fam.
In these directors case it could be argued that movie quality has also diminished with the introduction of colour & sound./S It’s a safe bet that directors from a generation before they made their films would’ve felt the same way if asked.
This genius is entitled to his views. His work moves nations. Entertainment has an important place too.
such a precious description
He’s absolutely right. Loving the greats coming out to drag these silly movies.🎬
Why is everyone over 65 coming for comic book movies? We’re they just waiting for Stan Lee to die to diminish them? I’ve seen better writing in those films then the same tired concepts that either of these two have put out in the last twenty years.
Shut up, grandad
Yeah, they are. Is that bad? Is not bad for Marvel, they're making a shit ton of money. Maybe is bad for directors under Marvel, cause what career do they have outside of Marvel so far? Is bad for other directors, cause they're gonna have a hard time getting their movies funded.
Totally fucking awesome, big budget hamburgers!
He's not wrong though. They're just products with the sole purpose of making money. I don't understand why people are getting so annoyed with these Directors voicing their opinions - and because of their acclaimed status, they are well within their right to have one.
This the new media thing huh?
Now I am convinced: the grandpas envy the success!
It shows.
johncampea is it a campaign
.....and so noisy.....need turning down.
What I keep seeing is a bunch of bitter-sounding old men telling us to get off their lawn while yelling about how rap isn’t really music.
I don’t even know who he is so why should I care what he thinks?
looks like the Old director Avengers are keep coming.
😅
But is he wrong? Lol.
A lot of old white men are angry at Marvel movies it seems.
These ancients real mad
it's just non-stop
One after the other.. All the old ones coming in front 😅😂..!!
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