'Awards Chatter' Podcast — Hillary Rodham Clinton ('Hillary')

Hillary Rodham Clinton lets loose about sexism, conspiracy theories and Trump (including how she'd fare against him if she was on the ballot in 2020). Hear more in the latest 'Awards Chatter' podcast.

7/3/2020 11:59:00 AM

Hillary Rodham Clinton lets loose about sexism, conspiracy theories and Trump (including how she'd fare against him if she was on the ballot in 2020). Hear more in the latest 'Awards Chatter' podcast.

The polarizing trailblazer who has had a front row seat to — and personally shaped — American history over the last 40 years lets loose about sexism, conspiracy theories and Trump (including how she'd fare against him if she was on the ballot in 2020 and whether he should be locked up).

How did the docuseries come about?"After 2016, I was approached about doing a kind of retrospective documentary about the campaign. We had about 2,000 hours of behind-the-scenes footage that this very dedicated team of young videographers and filmmakers had put together — they followed me around, and it was really like the fly on the wall, you forgot they were there, so they got a lot of really interesting stories that they captured. And I thought, 'Well, okay, we'll do that.' What was originally envisioned as a campaign doc — not unlike

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The War Room, the 1993 doc about Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign — instead became something broader after Burstein was hired. "She came back after looking at all that footage and said, 'Look, there's a much bigger story here. There is the story of your life, but it's also the story of women's lives, it's the story of American politics over the last 50-plus years, and that's the story I want to tell. Would you cooperate with that?' And, for the first time in decades, I wasn't running for something, I wasn't in public office and I said, 'Okay, I will.' And I think my answer, Scott, to be honest, surprised me a little bit when it came out of my mouth.'"

What was it like being interviewed by Burstein for 35 hours over seven days, with all subjects — including Monica Lewinsky — on the table?"I will confess, there were moments when it was harder than others and it was a very intense experience."

What was it like to see the finished docuseries?"The first time I saw it was like an out-of-body experience." It was also her first time seeing one piece of footage that she had only heard about before. "Sitting there, watching this, and seeing myself burned in effigy, given what's going on in the world today and how really crazy and scary the time can be, I was like, 'Wow, what was going on then, and what is going on now, that trying to get universal healthcare provokes that level of hatred?'"

Who were her role models as a child?"When I was a young girl, I did not know any women who worked outside the home, personally, other than my teachers and the public school librarians, so there were not images or real-life role models that I could look to."

Why was she so disappointed, as a child, to be told by NASA that she could not work for them?"To be told I couldn't do something because I was a girl? That had never happened to me before, and that was a real eye-opener."Why is Eleanor Roosevelt one of her heroes?

"The more I learned about her, the more I admired her... She said, 'No one can make you feel inferior without your permission.' So she's always been a kind of North Star to me."If she had not followed her law school classmate and boyfriend Bill Clinton to Arkansas in 1974 and married him in 1975, would she ultimately have been more or less successful in politics?

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"I find it impossible to answer... I did follow my heart to Arkansas... We were both considered top lawyers under 40, we were both perceived as having incredible futures, but I never saw myself as a political candidate. I saw myself as an activist."

How has she managed to handle decades of criticism — of her name, voice, clothes — and accusations of impropriety?"I had to learn early on in Bill's political career to take criticism seriously but not personally. There are things you can learn from your critics because sometimes your friends won't tell you that you're messing up or that you could do something better — sometimes the critics have a point. But you cannot allow criticism to literally undermine your self-confidence and to destroy your own ideas and your dreams... So much of that is rooted — let's be clear here — in misogyny and sexism. Everybody has an opinion about a woman in the public arena."

Why did she and other members of her family socialize with Donald Trump in the years prior to 2016, includingattending his 2005 wedding in Florida?"Those were encounters that were not very many and not of great moment, certainly to me. We all lived in New York. We all encountered each other. And until he became a Republican, Donald Trump supported Democrats in the New York delegation and elsewhere in the country. And, you know, literally, we were invited to his wedding, and Bill was making a speech in Palm Beach, and I thought, 'Wow, I'm gonna go see what this is about'... I don't know what happened to the person who supported Democrats and then became a 'birther,' questioning, you know, President Obama's birth certificate, and then became a virulently anti-immigrant candidate, when he had used immigrant labor for everything he built. I don't know. It was all opportunistic. So yeah, I did know him, just like I know, you know, literally hundreds of thousands of people."

During or after the 2016 race, did she ever fear that Trump would actually "lock her up"?"I didn't know what he was capable of... Look, if I had ever done anything wrong, he would have gone after me. Let me put it that way. You know, I've never done anything wrong. I'm, you know, as some people like to say, the most investigated, exonerated person in recent history. But if he could have found anything that he thought could impose some kind of cost on me — because, at the root of this, Scott, is he fears that his win — that narrow win in the Electoral College — was not legitimate. Part of what he does in the way he lashes out is because, deep down, he knows the Russians helped him, despite his incredible efforts to deny it. He knows WikiLeaks helped him. He understands all of that. So if he could [have gone after me] — as he has tried to do, to go after people all the time, and thankfully without a lot of success — he would have, because he's a vindictive score-settler and he doesn't want the legitimacy of his election ever to be questioned, although history will continue to question it. So, thankfully, you know, I never did anything that gave him any cause, despite his best efforts."

Was she aware of the misinformation about her that was spread on social media in 2016?"I was dying. I was endlessly dying. I was constantly dying. In fact, this interview, you are interviewing a ghost."How big a problem is Facebook?"We are divided by sources of information... If you create algorithms for Facebook, controversy drives more clicks, conspiracies are just manna from Heaven, they will get people's attention... I'm also impressed by this latest effort called [Stop] Hate For Profit where advertisers are pulling their advertising from Facebook. Facebook has to be held accountable because they trafficked in conspiracy, they trafficked in misinformation, they trafficked in Russian disinformation, and they've got to be held accountable because we're gonna have another election, and everybody should know what's at stake and then cast their vote accordingly."

Is it possible that in 2016 Russians influenced not only voters but vote counts?"There are still a lot of unanswered questions about what they were doing probing registration bases and what they were doing probing election systems. So far, that has not been nailed down. But the influence certainly has."

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