“I always thought it was normal to hate hearing yourself talk, but at some point you realize that other people don’t think ‘I want to vomit’ after hearing themselves speak,” Lilian Primrose told me.
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'Sporting dark lipstick and shoulder-length wavy brown hair' alone doesn't make you a woman. No, you have to develope a 'submissive voice' to go fully female. Where do you get your template of women from? Out of porn movies?
Ah, well your editorial policy these days seem to be that wmn shld be silent. Any wmn who states biological fact (sex) is to be no platformed, denied a voice. So there's your answer guardianhateswomen
What does a woman sound like? Do we all sound the same now?
A woman sounds like however the hell she likes. We are not in the 1800s fgs.
Please can you stop being such embarrassing pillocks now. Time for the grown ups to come back.
A woman sounds like an adult human female. A transwoman sounds like a man cos that's what he is.
A woman sounds like an adult, human female. Duh.
'Wanting to change every aspect of my identity in order to live up to what society expects women to be: submissive, subdued, sensual and feminine.' This line is very telling, and concerning.
What a load of utter codswallop! The irony of transwomen been given their voices, while Women around the world are being silenced & having their health needs dictated to by MEN! Twitter regularly silences & bans women for using their female voices to share opinions! PeakTrans
I dunno. What does a man sound like?
What is the sound of one ass cheek crapping?
What does a trans-wo(man) sound like? A man using his Falsetto.
Another pro-trans fluffpiece, ? How many is that so far this year? Proportional is it? Balanced?
I used to read every day. Donated regularly. Now, I genuinely don't care if you go bust. You are an instrument of oppression, a purveyor of patriarchy, shafting biological females with your regressive, sexist & downright offensive bollocks.
Fucking hell, . My feminine voice sure hasn't proven 'a cloak of protection from bias and bigotry'.
Guardian, does this apply to written voice as well? Do you expect your female authors to be 'submissive' in their sentence structure so they will, um, 'pass' as women?
You should be asking yourselves what real journalism sounds like.
And from the Saudi Daily Shitsheet, aka the Guardian, we have another article on why it's the natural order for women to put up and shut womenface
Why trans woman mostly 'lesbians' 🤔
Women don’t need anyone to set the clock back 50 years with this ‘subdued and submissive’ shite, ta. If that’s your voice, own it - don’t try and pin it on us.
Sexist rubbish. Women are not an act to be performed.
Society doesn't expect women to be or sound 'Submissive and subdued'. A lot of trans women and their allies do though.
People don't like being deceived about something as fundamental as born sex -this is the root of transphobia not aversion to femininity or defying cultural norms of dress etc. Integrity matters. Encouraging vulnerable people it doesn't and all that matters is 'passing' is wrong.
“Submissive”.
peakguardian
A feminine voice protects you from murder....really....
A woman sounds however she wants. We are not stereotypes. Or a fucking performance or costume.
Speech therapists are being required to transfer their teaching to trans people, from people who have suffered stroke.
Oh do stop being silly dear
We are but one voice and are indistinguishable from each other 🙄
Hint....not like a man 🙄
So, are you going to post a how-to on passable blackface next?
Replace woman with black person, and maybe you’ll see how offensive this is.
'For trans women, achieving a feminine voice can serve as a cloak of protection from bias and bigotry', so they can sound more like the repressed, raped and murdered group... Women? Sounding like a women gives you a magic cloak of safety? What alchemy is this?
This says it all
How now brown cow !? My Fair Ladyboy.
Have I got this right? You CAN be a woman and have a penis. You CAN'T be a woman and have a deep voice. I'm really excited to learn more about women. Apparently being one is no bloody assistance at all in helping me unravel these womanly mysteries. unscientificgoobledygook
I thought gender was nothing to do with biology and female is a social construct? So why are transwomen trying to sound female?
But I thought transwomen were real women. So why would they need to alter their voice?
Such rubbish
Is there a normal voice?
So being a woman is now a sound. Ok then
‘what society expects women to be: submissive, subdued, sensual and feminine’ Did The Guardian actually publish thus sexist deplorable rubbish about what women are supposed to be? How shameful.
Please stop with this regressive nonsense, Guardian. You claim to be focused on climate disaster. This gender bollocks will be seen for the self-indulgent, luxurious wank it is when that hits. No one will give a toss about pronouns when the water dries up & the bees disappear.
Nice of you to open this one for comments. Thanks.
How now brown cow !?
If you're a woman, the way you sound is what a woman sounds like.
'She felt like she... was not authentically representing her female identity.' Being female is not REPRESENTATIONAL it is EXPERIENTIAL. Daily coping with female biology. Articles like this casually dismiss the core of sexism: women's biological experience in a sexist society.
This woman sounds as if a large gasket has just blown. Enough already.
I sound like I fell off the back-end of a truck. Fyi.
It's getting harder and harder to tell given how many attempts there are to silence womens' voices every second of every minute of every day around the world. Fatuous click baiting headline.
If you need to conform to extreme stereotypes, use painstaking vocal training and make up to be your true self then it ain't your true self. It's a disguise. You are free to present as you wish but don't pretend it's not a costume.
KathViner This isn't an opinion piece, yet the writer says this '..what society expects women to be: submissive, subdued, sensual and feminine.' News to many women. Is this what the Guardian has become? Why do you never give women who disagree with this rubbish a voice?
So you have run a story with a straight face giving the definition of female as being 'submissive, subdued, sensual and feminine.' This is why these men will never be seen as women, but are part of the regressive imposition of patriarchal gender norms as a method of control.
Well from the comments..... Women sound pi**ed off. Women sound like they're sick of being silenced. Women sound like they're sick of being called 'uterus bearers', 'people who get pregnant', 'people with vaginas', 'mentruators', 'non male' etc. Women sound like women!
What women should sound like:
I thought they were already women, though? How come they need lessons on how to pretend?
If your identity depends on promulgating such sexist nonsense & maligning women (and men) with the 'cisgender' lie, it suggests something has gone very wrong somewhere. And the fact that the Guardian is actually publishing such hyperconservative propaganda suggests the same.
why? seriously.... WHY?
Funny how these 'women' are not bothered about keeping their penis. It is just their voice they worry about, so they can fool people into believing they are women. Sorry but women do not have penises.
Being a woman is not ideological, feeling based or presentational, it is experiential. Being a woman is the daily lived coping with the needs of the female body in a sexist society. Being female is a set of physical circumstancs. I don't feel like a woman, I experience being one.
We're made of sugar and spice and all things nice, obviously, and our favourite phrases are 'yes, of course dear', 'I wouldn't know, ask my husband', and 'I live for cooking and cleaning'. FFS you utter twats, what are you doing?
The author of that piece talks about 'wanting to change every aspect of my identity in order to live up to what society expects women to be: submissive, subdued, sensual and feminine.' Fuck. That.
'At times, I wished for nothing more than a voice that was considered “pretty” and “passable”, wanting to change every aspect of my identity in order to live up to what society expects women to be: submissive, subdued, sensual and feminine.' A toxic fantasy based on stereotypes.
Gender stereotyping all to appease some male's delusional view of himself 🙄
“A cloak of protection from bias and bigotry”. Deceit so people don’t know who they’re dealing with? Guardian, you are fuelling a conflict with this provocative rubbish.
This is a full blown epidemic now, right?
‘What does a woman sound like?’ A woman sounds like whatever comes out of a woman’s mouth. The vocal training you describe is a crock of stereotypes. So, so regressive, sexist & bullshit.
That dos’nt make a male to a woman.
Men have larger folds in their vocal chords, which is why they can’t imitate the sound of women’s voices. Would need vocal chord transplants for that and science is obviously not there yet.
Helps them to live a lie of make believe... u at least acknowledge men and woman are different and the voice will take some manipulation to pass it off as a woman’s
It can serve as a cloak to truth apparently (although doubtful).
Trans men.
Not all women have high voices. I often joke that I sound like a man because I have quite a deep voice. Again trans women are pandering to stereotypes.
Men who have a condition that makes them feel like a woman aren't women.
Getting your voice is important to a lot of trans people. Not only helps in passing and thus avoiding alot of the day to day bigotry you see, but to help feel more your self and confident talking to some one will not out your self.
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Henrietta Higgins Academy stands ready.
But trans women supposedly are women, so they must already sound like women, amiright?
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