Toppling statues of bygone tyrants forces British people to face present-day racism | Owen Jones

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Britain has whitewashed its history of slavery and imperialism for too long – as the statues fall, another story is emerging, says columnist Owen Jones

– as up to three million starved in large part because of his policies. If Soviet and Chinese famines are rightly attributed to Josef Stalin and Mao Tse Tung, the British state should be similarly damned for the horrors of India.

 

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There's a statue of Nelson in the middle of old Montreal. Québec was occupied by the British for about a century after the 1763 defeat of New France. It's part of our past in Québec, not our present. Nelson can stay on his column.

Yup, that’s gonna do wonders for racism. I’m reality all it’s doing is making race relations worse than they’ve been in 200 years.

TheRealKMcKidd Toppling statues of bygone tyrants forces British people to recognise who the present-day tyrants are.

Zero of the Labour leadership have resigned so far....

Wee Owen is a communist. He does know that this paper is founded on the blood money of the slave trade Hypocrisy springs to mind 🤔

Why has there been no mention of the UK'S Royals historical involvement in the slave trade even after abolition they continued to profit from it.

OwenJones84 will you be pulling down your own building then?

Owen Jones is a prick

OwenJones84 Owen Owen what about the man who is held up as a moral compass who slauterd and enslaved thousands upon on thousands and called for death in people with didn’t agree in his beliefs

A statute from days past is art & as with all art, it's meaning is the product of your mind

Does present day racism include telling black people to avoid white owned shops and only spend money in black owned shops?

BLM = Taliban

OwenJones84 Wait until you hear about where the Guardian came from? Or are you still pretending you haven’t heard about that?

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OwenJones84 ‘Present day racism’ 🤔delusional nonsense. Do any black people ever look in the mirror and think ‘ you know what, if it wasn’t for the slave trade I wouldn’t exist?

The Gammon is strong on this thread!! Here's something for your blood pressure :

OwenJones84

OwenJones84 Ok...

OwenJones84 You can't just go round toppling thing you don't like. Remember when Owen got toppled last year?

We do need to remember the Peasants Revolt, Plantation in Ulster, The Levellers, The Chartists, Irish Famines, The General Strike in 1926, & The Miners role in working class history.

People should be afraid.

Racism exists but UK is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. These groups wont stop until all signs of things they disagree with are erased or silenced. That includes people as well as media. Time to stand up to these neo Maoists and their cultural revolution.

it looks like most people commenting chose not read the piece, rather being critical because of the outlet and/or the author. Welcome to twitter.

OwenJones84 Tyrants like Abraham Lincoln?

No it doesn’t. It pisses the majority of the population right off.

OwenJones84 Why is it that minority groups are given a voice and gaining power whilst the silent majority in these arguments are ignored this to me is a recipe for disaster as you either end up with a civil war or a totalitarian state run by the minorities.

Jones. Twat.

OwenJones84 Seriously, contrary to his own self publicity, not many people really care about his views, just a few hundred thousand Guardian Readers. He really is not relevant.

Pull down Mandella's then! Wish you would go back to your antifa terrorist mates.

It really doesn’t. We have no sympathy for the violent rioting scum

OwenJones84 Marx and Mandela next please

'This explains why black people suffer disproportionate levels of stop and search by police and mass incarceration' No, that is explained by the disproportionate amount of violent crime & murders that they commit i.e. Over 60% of murders and 50% of violent crime in London.

What an idiotic article once again 😂

No it doesn't.

Can we begin with racist Guardian?

OwenJones84 So Owen Jones doesn't mind working for a news paper who's founder had links to the plantations 🤔

Perhaps these protesters understand how Lucretius explored the principles of atomism; the nature of the mind and soul; explanations of sensation and thought; the development of the world and its phenomena? Or perhaps not.

That’s great guardian. Justify and encourage this behavior. Erase it all from our memory banks.

OwenJones84 When are we toppling the billionaires?

Make statues of William Wilberforce, Thomas Clarkson, Olaudah Equiano, Elizabeth Heyrick, Toussaint Louverture, William Wilberforce and other abolitionists.

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OwenJones84 Toppling statues forces the British establishment to stop lying and glorifying British racism and state violence

Who defines what a tyrant is or what statues should go. Nelson, Churchill, the 'Bomber Boys', The Cenotaph, Baden Powell, Drake, Walter Raleigh, Boudicca etc etc etc Anarchy & mob rule in the UK

OwenJones84 The tyrants are those who go too far. Who seek to erase icons of British history such as Drake and Churchill. The tyrants are those who wish to police what we read, view and even think. The tyrants like all tyrants in history will be defeated.

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Are you going to close your paper down. As you were founded by slave owners Who just preach about it from your ivory tower

The statues of colonial officials remind us the crimes of European colonialism and how white people were so cruel towards people of color. I also believe that 'stolen' treasures, documents, artifacts, and other objects should be restituted.

Anti-whites aren't demanding removal of Genghis Khan statues in Mongolia. Anti-whites aren't demanding removal of Saladin statues in the Middle East. They are ONLY demanding removal of statues of white people in white countries. Their bottom line is the white race has to go.

Is it OwenJonesIsAWankerDay every day now? It’s hard to keep up!

Yep, and what did the Romans ever do for us eh?

When does Owen Jones get held to account for his links to the terrorists of Antifa? cc metpoliceuk Why is he allowed to sow hatred and spread violence and destruction. When will the Police take action against him and the terrorist organisation he represents?

Who founded and funded The Guardian? Hopefully nobody who supported the slave trade or made their money in an unsavoury industry or profited from activities that relied on slave labour, such as cotton milling

Wasn’t Mohammad (pbuh!) also a tyrant? And a marauder? And a pedophile? And a slave owner? And a slave trader? And a dispenser of barbaric, medieval justice? And what should we do with the qurans and the mosques in Britain?

'Tyrants'? Curious, who founded the Guardian?

The statues of colonial officials the crimes of European colonialism and how white people were so cruel towards people of color. I also believe that 'stolen' treasures, documents, artifacts, and other objects should be restituted.

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The very same discussion is everywhere,where these infamous have memorials.erasing history?NO!Their removal indeed is a frigthening remembering of the past,most uncomfortable.But life + history is no crystal stair.For pampering,book a real 5*+ holiday

talking about democracy in a monarchy state. such an irony

Mohammed was a slave trader

Good job!

How about facing modern slavery with as much toppling of modern day tyrants?

Bullshit

Mohammad was a slave trader.......Lefty's

What a load of BOLLOCKS

Like the institutional pedos and antisemitism in the Labour party? They must be rubbing their hands now that this diversion has cropped up.

It’s understandable so many people feel uncomfortable looking at the removal of those statues; western culture is afraid to look into the mirror because we don’t like what it reflects back to us. Indoctrination is painful when confronted with reality

People don't see it as 'fighting racism'. They see it as vandalism and barbarism. Also: what is destroying art going to do for anyone facing racism on the workfloor or on the street? This is a waste of time and counter productive.

And onxe again the genius of grauniadmeme is completely indistinguishable from the total woke bollocks of the real thing. Other than vegan social studies teachers, just who the hell actually buys the Guardian these days?

RaceBaiting media mediascum We should ALL protest all media for this constant racebaiting!! WE ALL have to live with each other!! Attacking one culture, forcing defense is creating race segregation!! Fucking stop. What do the media want? RaceWars just so they have a story!

Take away these statues despite the terrors of the past just means people can’t learn from it. History will repeat and people who write for ten Guardian will be one of the first the mob come for as they hate middle class journalists. The attacks on reporters is evidence of this.

Don’t write for a racist paper then !

Typical from this little weasel, there is probably MORE racism now than there was before this mayhem started. The lawless behaviour and sense of entitlement to sneer at the police and authority by black people and expect no retribution because it’s “ racist “ is appalling

Also statues should stay but include an explanation of who these people were and include explanations of the awful things they were involved in. By hiding statutes will mean less people being aware of history. Also what is next banning books which people don't agree with.

Owen Jones is a nice bloke but I think he's a bit naive if he thinks taking down statues forces people to face racism. It runs a lot deeper than that.

Getting rid of statutes won't stop the bias and racism in modern society. Rather than focusing on statutes the protestors should think about putting forward effective policies which could actually make a difference in lives of minorities.

I think the vast majority of people in the UK are against this. The leftists don’t understand the vast majority of people, hence the 80-seat majority of a mediocre government.

Now do slavery in Islam, historical, and present day.

People like OwenJones84 and The Guardian are doing nothing more than inciting hatred themselves here and whipping everything up. And when it does eventually kickoff it is these people who will have to face the consequences in a court of law.... pritipatel metpoliceuk cpsuk

Hypocrite much?

Yea he may want to look to his own Political hero's. Also he writes for the guardian . Why would anyone wrote for a news paper with links to slavery ?

Like antisemitism in the Labour Party for instance?

Tyrants such as a 6th century slave owner and slave trader, which for some reason is allowed to be worshiped as a prophet in the country in the 21st century?

What this rag of a 'paper' is doing is..... Convincing mobs to go into city centres and destroy property and attack police officers. This 'paper' is now the mouth piece of violence of Marxism. People will start defending their culture and history

And shows the lack of democracy?

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