The plight of Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour opponents can be summed up like this. While they have, understandably, railed against the left’s “no compromise with the electorate” tendency, they’ve failed to acknowledge that they cannot retake the Labour leadership without first winning over the membership.
All white? Lisa Nandy?
What a great bunch, should mean another landslide for boris at next election. 10 years of the grown up party..lovely ..no really..lovely.
Blair won 3 general elections and had a 25000 majority in Sedgefield. Since then Labour lost 4 general elections and the seat. Do members want defeat after defeat?
Not many want to spend another 3 years discussing Brexit either.
.OwenJones84 has spoken to all members of Labour before making this statement.
Labour members obviously don't want to go back to the mid 70's either. Yorks and Lancs former mining towns voting in Tories 2019 GE.
The same Owen to deplore being picked on outside a pub for being a Labour activist that sent around his thick chums to rough up Giles Cohen? We (the public) couldn’t give a monkeys what this rabid communist thinks.
'Corbynism emerged amid the intellectual exhaustion of all other wings of the Labour party. It triumphed...' triumphed? TRIUMPHED!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mmmm. Isn’t it as much/more about what the general population want? Or do they just want to be an opposition for future decades as well? Seriously.
As a 60years labour voter your not speaking for me your something new takes us back to the dark days of labour union a union run country have done it and have the tea shirt move forward not backwards
So they’re going to install someone who 100% supported Corbyn and his views and opinions. Expect no changes.
A new way to lose an election then.
When the echo chamber isn't echoey enough flounce off Twitter and write absolute sewage like this.
Perhaps they prefer a return to 2019.....headsinthesand
OwenJones84 🧐
Your record on the labour party is really not good. Maybe step aside lol
What do former Labour voters want?
More dictatorial nonsense from Jones. Labour needs to win like in 1997!
New New Labour? New Old Labour?
The Guardian in publishing nutters like Owen Jones is basically a closet supporter of the Tories. Way to make the Labour Party look completely insane when it has people like Owen in it
This is just such rubbish. Is this the best the Guardian can come up with? He loved Corbyn, then he didn’t, then he did, then he didn’t. Why should we take any notice of his lecturing?
Isn’t it what people who might vote Labour want?
Who would I vote for Mandy maybe Starmer needs to say more but possible Thornbury slim possible The others long shots Long Bailey absolutely not a chance The one thing that would secure my vote Kick out Momentum and McClusky
Does he actually read this shite before he types it?
nickclarkeleave And so did the whole country want something new :) Something called BRexit :) Which is why the nation voted Conservatives & gave BorisJohnson & his LeaveEU promise a huge majority. Why does it always take UKLabour 10 years to listen & catch up?
“Owen Jones is a Guardian columnist” I have to ask “Why?”
Do they want a return to Government where they can stop the Tories systematically destroying public services, workers’ rights, public trust in politicians?
I would love a return to 1997. Labour were credible, they gave hope and actually won! Not just once, but 3 times in a row. Owen Jones doesn’t speak for me. I am fed up with the hard left not accepting that Blair was and still is popular. This rhetoric just continues to alienate.
Stick to Venezuelan politics Owen lad
Pretty sure returning to 2015 is not high on the list either.
Is Owen still a thing? How about he gets a real job, and spare us his tripe.
It is a strange one this. If you care about the people you want to help, and believe you are the only party to do it , winning an election like Blair did is exactly what is required !
They don’t want a return to winning ways.
Yes we do because we want a return to winning Owen. Thanks for assuming you know what we want. You don’t
Labour members want to remain a party of protest rather than an alternative government.
Perhaps Labour members are hostile to compromising with the electorate and to winning elections. What is sure is that looking down in contempt on the voters will guarantee further lost elections. After Scotland, Labour seem determined to lose everything except inner London.
Anyone would think they like being in opposition.
Yeah they were winning in 97
Nothing new about Marxism -Foot tried it, Corbyn also and both failed to attract support from electorate-perhaps they want another crack -Labour Members have a right to chose that and good luck to them-free country
Character first, character second, character last
Blair was fab Owen stop talking rubbish. We won every election under Blair
Shame they're going to get the same old shit then
One of the reasons Labour has lost since 2015 is because the left of the party simply refuse to highlight the achievements of Labour govts under Blair. It's an absolutely pathetic state of mind these people exist in and Owen's one of the worst sad to say.
Another piece showing the desperation of the left wing of the party, trying against reality to convince the members that the jumble sale of policies in the last manifesto was supported by the electorate. 1/2
Campaign Corbin had bad press people believed he is anti semite,pro IRA,pro Iran he could not convince it is human right diction other social agenda was good but above all Brexit killed it all in labour strong hold
Do Guardian columnists have tenure? Owen Jones is irrelevant. He was the propagandist-in-chief for a Labour leader who lost Redcar to the Tories. F**king Redcar!
You should be leader Owen
Yes that's definitely the lesson that a Tory majority sent, that people were sick of the idea of a Labour that could win.
Illogical article when all the evidence suggests the opposite!
So, not a return to winning elections? I think they’ve sort that out already.
For those in the Midlands, North England and Scotland Keir Starmer represents the south east Labour bubble. How will he win those voters back? Similarly Angela Thornberry.
The Tory machine is geared up to ensure that poor people vote to entrench the interests of rich people, leading to the current widening divide. Labour needs a mixture of personality and policy which can reverse that.. simples..
Yeah, let's not return to the hellscape of 1997, let's push forward into entirely fresh forms of madness because progress!
Corbyn lost the election and Rebecca Long Bailey has failed to acknowledge that. She is too blinkered to assume the mantle of leader.
What was wrong with 1997?
Corbyn tried to take Labour back to the 1970’s and yet Owen Jones backed him...he really does talk a lot of shit
Imagine paying Owen Jones to hear his opinion
I took this photo at dawn on May 2nd 1997, sadly the label has fallen off but it said 'a new dawn for Britain'. It was too.
I’ll settle for 1997 thanks.....just not certain things that came after it. (WMDs and PFIs)
Why is this shyster still relevant!?
Why do you keep giving this man a platform?
No, we want a return to the winning ways of Labour.
Or 1977
'Don't know what it is but I'll know it when I see it'.
Jones does not like winning
What winning an election?
what about recycling the memories of human beings”any possibilities.
Owen Jones - 1997, Labour's disastrous year. I'd call him a silly boy. but I'm worried he'd send his thugs round.
They don't want to win an election.
Or a return to 2015/1970?
Is anyone actually interested in anything Juicy has to say?
Whomever Labour chooses, Owen will be messianic with his praise. Until they lose. Which will have him soon stating he had always predicted it all and had vigorously warned of. Always on the right side of history is our OJ.
Labour members won't win you an election, either.
We had optimism in 1997. We had the start of real changes for people that the Tories had actively disenfranchised for years. We had real investment in public services, education, our NHS. After 10 years of Tory austerity, 1997 seems like a reasonable starting point.
Win elections, again. Period.
Its almost as if the twerp wants to be a noisy finger pointer instead of his party in power.
2017 - People were curious about Corbyn. 2019 - People were sick of Corbyn.
Time to pick a winner ..
And how did Owen’s last tip go? Corbyn was a return to the 70’s and he thought that was a good idea!
So they don’t want to lose but they don’t want to win. What do they want?
No, who wants a majority of 179 and the start of 13 years in office...
ou're not a Labour party until to represent indiginous, white, working class people. Friggin Champagne socialists with a penchant for ignoring your grass roots, will only see you lose more seats
So more divisive fucktardery from an army of spoilt children who think they want communism, then. Riiiight.
No owen, that is exactly what the center left wants
You're not a Labour party until to represent indiginous, white, working class people. Friggin Champagne socialists with a penchant for ignoring your grass roots, will only see you lose more seats.
Prat
1997 sounds like such a beautiful place. Ignorants were not so proud about their ignorance. Fascists were in the closet. Please bring 1997.
The Corbyn ‘Project’ was a return to the 80s, so at least 1997 would be more recent.
It's hard to believe that the Guardian keep paying Owenjones
How bizarre! As a Labour member, I can confirm you're not speaking for me and you're also not speaking on behalf of voters either... Maybe Owen was too young, but 1997 was the year Labour actually WON? Losing is not winning Owen.
Only corbyn and Blair have won 40% of the vote share of any labour leader since the sixties. Both ran on an optimistic, forward thinking platform of rebranding the party.
It’s not all about Labour members. To win general elections you need to get the country on board.
Rather than the comfort blanket of continuity Corbyn Long Bailey the members should be asking what the electorate want.
So oblivion it is then
What do the voters want?
Why is Owen Jones being given a platform? He’s useless and clueless. He should be practising that well worn phrase: “Do you want fries with that?” OwenJones OwenJonesisadiddy
Why is Squealer Jones considered an expert? He was a massive backer of Corbyn who led us to the worst defeat since 1935. All these Corbynistas need to be ignored as just appealing to the crank-left who have infested the party membership is no way to win elections.
Labour members want to live off other people's money. Same as always.
voters just want 2 different parties and a new paradigm,no more of the same ole divide and rule bullshit
You just know that Starmer will be marketed by Labour as a non scary, Tony Blair type figure to Middle England.
Is anyone campaigning for a return to 1997?
Quite like to have someone who can actually win. Err, like we had in 97.
owen jones famously knows exactly what every labour member and voter wants
I hope Labour members want a return to government. Let’s call that Plan A.
BarryGardiner is best placed to renew lab movement and has the intellect and persona job demands.
Or to Corbynism, OwenJones84.
Try: winning
I'd like a return to winning .... Like 1997. Only a government can make policy into reality.
And the voters?
Labour members want to win an election
Because Owen Jones's finger is so on the electorate pulse as we all know ... What reason could anyone have for not listening to this guy's opinion?
All we get is a bunch of recycled progresses as well because the new ones are so Fringe and out there that nobody can get behind that. We have no middle ground
From the man who pushed Corbyns 1970’s policies.
Moving forward into 1984
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