And so I thought now it'd be a great time to talk to someone who has literally devoted the entirety of her adult life and her career to studying anti-Semitism and its history. Her name is Deborah Lipstadt. She's a professor of modern Jewish history at Emory University. Her most recent book is called"Anti-Semitism: Here and Now," but she's also written about the Holocaust and Holocaust denial.
CHRIS HAYES: I want to start, if at all possible, at the beginning. And I know that with the Jewish people, that's a while ago.
DEBORAH LIPSTADT: Well, it takes on that tenor and there you have the template. It takes on the tenor of one, the blindness of the Jew. You know, one of the sculptures outside of Notre Dame is the synagogue blinded, that the Jews were blind to the teaching of Jesus, they were blind to what he had to offer the world.
CHRIS HAYES: Is there a sociocultural or historical context for the Middle Ages and this story kind of coming together? What's going on there? DEBORAH LIPSTADT: I think it's absolutely a given that maybe not every minority, but most minorities want to be accepted, want to fit in, even as they maintain their individual practices, their individual beliefs. And I think that's what happened with the Jews. If you go back to the Book of Jeremiah, he says during the first exile after the destruction of the first temple, during the destruction of the first,"Pray for the welfare of the country in which you're going to live.
There was a joke that was supposedly told by German Jews during the 1930s of a Nazi ideologue, a Nazi official who comes to a meeting and he's going on about how"the Jews are our misfortune," and"the Jews did this and the Jews did that." And someone yells out from the side of the room:"And the bicycle riders.
DEBORAH LIPSTADT: Yes, it's there. It's there in the fact that Rome was the power in the universe. Go think back to your high school history when they had the maps and they showed Rome was red or blue.
If you go back to Charlottesville, I guess now a little less than two years ago, and those demonstrators, those not-fine people were marching across the campus of the University of Virginia. What were they chanting? They were chanting “Jews will not replace us.” Well, that chant has a double meaning.
DEBORAH LIPSTADT: I think the answer to both questions is yes. It is very similar to other prejudices. I have a colleague who likes to say you meet the stereotype right in front of you when the person themselves is two blocks away. So if it's an African American, you say to me"oh, there's an African American." You see them on your college campus, you assume"oh, they couldn't be here by right.
chrislhayes Legal security watches,observes,& intervenes when a crimes been committed👍while illegal NaziStasiGangStalking use their revolving group lie,to try&manufacture guilt,of innocent🇺🇸s,as they mass stalk&provoke violence&gaslight to try& behaviorally modify innocent 🇺🇸s into mass🔫👎
chrislhayes If HomelandSecurity isnt legalizing illegalNaziStasiGangStalking,that should be addressed,but,especially if it isGangStalking,since anyNazi tactics = terrorism,not legal security,since its about manufacturingguilt&creating terroristsVIAmass stalking+provoking violence+gaslighting
chrislhayes From my understanding,Nazis invaded afterWW2,infiltratedCIA/NSAfrom🇺🇸govhiring them,OpPaperclip&theninvaded FBI VIA Cointelpro,after9/11Project for a New🇺🇸Century,became HomelandSecurity who have no oversight,inside of USAPatriot&MilitaryCommission Act👎should get addressed&ended
chrislhayes I can’t spot one good guy in this crowd! Maybe Trump could point them out!
chrislhayes Excellent discussion.
chrislhayes
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