Schools or bars? Opening classrooms may mean hard choices

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President Donald Trump insists schools reopen this fall. Many parents, educators, doctors and economists want the same thing. But getting children back to school safely could mean keeping high-risk spots like bars and gyms closed.

Des Moines Public Schools custodian Tracy Harris cleans chairs in a classroom at Brubaker Elementary School, Wednesday, July 8, 2020, in Des Moines, Iowa. Getting children back to school safely could mean keeping high-risk spots like bars and gyms closed. That's the latest thinking from some public health experts.

Schools are crucial to communities in ways that go beyond basic learning. They also provide children with friends, food and other support systems. The American Academy of Pediatrics strongly supports children physically returning to classrooms. But if a community has a high level of infection, public health experts say reopening classrooms will be risky, even if schools try to require masks and follow social distancing guidelines.

Children are less likely to become seriously ill than adults, and there’s not much evidence that children are driving transmission, said Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University’s COVID-19 Testing Insights Initiative. Still, there is a risk they could transmit the virus to others, including teachers or vulnerable people they live with.“That is a reason to think about how to improve safety and to reduce the risk in school environments,” Nuzzo said.

 

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What guidelines are they using at Barons school?

maggieNYT Hey, Trumpers! Now he’s looking to sacrifice YOUR CHILDREN to boost his re-election hopes! Are you lemmings still going to blindly follow him down the mountain and into the fjord? Use your heads!

maggieNYT Trump tries to tough talk his way through everything. How about doing the hard work of formulating safe plans? Trump is an imbecile.

maggieNYT Then he says he’ll defund the schools? Remember when the GOP’s mantra was “Washington out of our local schools”? Oh, the irony. VoteBlueNoMatterWho

This is one reason why people keep arguing about reopening phases. If schools are open, than gyms and bars can't be open. That's like saying if you want to eat an orange you can't have a banana.

The truth is that the all powerful teacher unions will have more to say about whether students return to schools

maggieNYT SEND BARON BACK TO SCHOOL

What?

Riots and protests are okay though

maggieNYT DEMOCRATS or FREEDOM? realDonaldTrump or Tyranny? Make America Great Again or Let America Crumble?

maggieNYT Riots and protesters are safe though

This headline reads like thoughts of that incompetence President. Since he’s tested and anyone coming near him then offer that same level for all teachers he wants in classes. COVIDiotInChief

We either need schools or bars. If the kids are home all day, the parents will need to go out and drink. I hope our schools are the more useful of the two choices.

maggieNYT Gyms bad millions taking public transportation to protests are good.

Bars?...

Jesus, you’re going to get people killed with that nonsense headline. It’s not an exclusive choice, but way to frame it that way. I’m sure you’re making a good buck during these trump times, so whatever. Capitalism, right?

Why would schools opening be tied to bars and gyms? I don't think there is a lot of overlap in their clientele. The IFR is under 1% for people who are under 60 according to most sources. This means less then 100 people in a thousand will die on average.

maggieNYT Gee, what if they opened schools and no one came?

Shouldn’t be an either or.

maggieNYT The hard decisions will be made by the Mayors and Governors. Trump had the chance to be a man of honour, work hard and pay off his debts. Like with the draft he chose the coward’s option. Shafting your debtors, whilst convincing judges to funnel you $450k a month for expenses.

AP, biased as always

This is a bullshit argument. So if you don't have kids, and you want to stay healthy and work out, I would have to sacrifice my gym, the owners would have to go out of business so kids could go to school. Bars, Would be put out of business for the same reason,

The kids are the tip of the iceberg!!! Kids go HOME after school and take the virus with them. If this can’t be figured out, schools will spread COVID way faster than bars or gyms.

🤔As soon as schools reopen, IMPOTUS should get back to: 🙃Kindergarten to learn some manners! 🙃1st grade to learn to write with a pen! 🙃2nd grade to learn how to spell! 🙃In social studies/pshe he'll learn tolerance, empathy, no bullying, social skills, kindness & honesty.

Common sense, can you visit people in hospital? If not. No schools need to be open.

maggieNYT Make him personally responsible for the lawsuits and this debate is over

What the Hell are they disinfecting. Classrooms have been empty. Any covid, along with most other virus and bacterium have long since died. All I can say is... if they botch this, UGLY is not going to be the word for it when children start getting covid.

DBChirpy going to be Petri dishes Class size too big to distance. ClassRoom too small to distance. Teachers will get Covid from the kids.

Trump can go first, he needs education the most, maybe he would be abe to take SAT by himself

What American's really want is their lives back before this all started with Covid-19. However it's now time to learn to adjust to a different life and no it's not the first time. Polio during a world war left many to have to rethink their lives too.

maggieNYT “Schools—not restaurants or gyms—turned out to be the country’s worst mega-infectors.” -

realDonaldTrump cares so much about education he will “cut off funding” if schools do not open. TrumpLogic “Important for children” TrumpIsALiar

Providence RI, where parents shouldn't be concerned w/schools teaching sex ed. For years, tried to teach kids to read & write; they don't practice that either.. - Trump insists schools reopen this fall. Many agree, but want children back to school safely..

“Crazy person says crazy stuff that will result in thousands of deaths. All experts and citizens say FUCK OFF”

parents have the power to say no. The next economic shutdown has to be done by the people, not government.

Fine

maggieNYT Let’s see Manafort back in prison then. And Roger Stone sent there

Hi, parent here. I do NOT feel comfortable with schools reopening in-person in the Fall. Is everyone blind/numb to what is happening around us? This virus is running amok w/ no leadership. My kids are my responsibility and my priority...not this rush to boost the economy.

Close them down now.

As usual, AP makes zero sense.

If i don't go to bars, then my kids get to go to school? No deal!

Many do not. I assure you.

Stop the madness it's not that hard if the left would cooperate and stop thinking hurting American lives is worth it just to continue and try to remove President Trump

Parents, think about the health & well-being of your kids & family members! Don’t listen to this criminally insane lunatic when it comes to sending your kids physically back to school!!! Remember... he’s the same cretin who ripped kids from their families & put them in cages!

Opening schools with great precautions their lunch spaces bus trips etc

Schools or bars? How is that even a question.

maggieNYT Not mine.

maggieNYT Thats a gud thi g bcz u can get std's from bars/night ckubs. school usually less often. This must b a new realDonaldTrump initiative trump s floating?

The Treasonous Traitor is an academic & parental failure so he doesn't care about schools or children.

How many deaths have been reported by normal healthy children. Pretty sure it's close to 0. There's very little risk to kids.

The United States is under international lockdown. No one wants Americans in their countries! The States lead the world by far with over 3.1 million COVID-19 cases and over 134,000 Covid deaths. That’s 1/4 of the total COVID 19 deaths in the world! Winning!! All on you, tRump!

maggieNYT Why after 6 months of Covid-19, we still rely on tests that take 2-5 days & more for results? Other countries have a 1 hour-24 hour turn around time! How did trump think we were gonna SAFELY keep schools open w/o quick test results? ~Incompetence

Then keep the bars and gyms closed. If it helps the safety of children, CHILDREN, then we adults ought to be able to live without our bars and gyms for as long as it takes. FFS, it shouldn't be this hard to look out for one another, America.

Trump's really gunning for the deaths of kids and their families, isn't he? He's as unstable and maniacal as they come.

What’s the child mortality rate for covid?

Or, and just hear me out here: FUCKING NEITHER

maggieNYT The massive and early spike in the US pandemic while the rest of the world is getting a handle on the pandemic, because much of the US followed Trump's guidance, seems like bad precedent for following his advice on schools this fall.

maggieNYT His son? His grandchildren?

Give me a freakin break! There's no need to keep anything closed. Period! Let each person and business decide. Stop trying to run over lives you evil POS!

But also many parents, educators, doctors and economists DON'T want the same thing.

Fauci says coronavirus may be mutating to become more infectious:

Weee opening schools

Pence Warns of Young People Testing Positive as Hot Spots Worsen ['

Or, maybe we can stop school kids from going to Bars

What educators? Please actually specify between administrators and actual teachers. I don't know a single teacher that wants to potentially get infected and die or have their students potentially get infected and die as well

Not a hard choice. No kids here. Open them bars baby.

Bars?

Straws

How long are we gonna live in fear? The flu is more deadly to kids than this virus

No Trump wants parents back to work and could give a damn about the kids

Barron can go first.

The guy in the school picture: He deserves an N-95 AND a raise!!! :)

Yeah, because we can't have those kids dragging their infections from the local bar to the classroom.

if riots are ok, classes can go as planned.

Sometimes people get sick

Odd Trump doesn't think Manafort and Stone can safely return to jail.

And packed classes are ok?

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