HARRIS: I would say no, but I do think that they affected me very differently. I think mainly because I was in Paris when I watched. That was an entirely different experience. I couldn’t be in Regency England, or Spain watchingHARRIS: Yes. Also, I do have to say that being in New York while watchingis a very different experience because I feel like I’m alienated from New York right now. I feel like I can’t pretend it’s a city because I’m inside my apartment, which is a sort of non-place.
HARRIS: I think that is the look of the future. That’s what annoys me about Fran—her existence is so about her past, which exists as her present. Her present is the 1970s, or nostalgia for it. I don’t know that one who looks toward nostalgia as the understanding of all moments of human existence is someone that we should be holding up as a great intellectual.
HARRIS: Yes, yes. Who feels like he has a great dick, will fuck you against the bathroom counter. Watching it with my trans roommate, we were having this whole conversation about how it feels like a fantasy that devalues the complications of modern queer life. The fact that people like Veneno are a part of the cultural landscape of understanding our bodies and who queer people are. That was a really interesting thing about the show.
HARRIS: It’s wild to me how photorealistic so many of those moments in the show are. They really slayed on a costuming and makeup level. The outfit that she wears the first night they discover her sex working, which is the real outfit—HARRIS: Yes. That was the outfit the real Veneno wore. You can YouTube it. It’s so hot. I want it. That is the costume for Halloween 2021.
HARRIS: I just want to see the list of how many men you’ve ruined and how many times you’ve had to play that song.I feel bad for any queer who hasn’t had to fabulate in order to make sense of themselves in the world. That is at the core of Fran’s story and also the story that is a part of Veneno. For queer people, fabulating your identity, constructing new universes for yourself is the only way to survive in the midst of utter oppression.
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