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Fran Lebowitz and Ziwe Are a Match Made in Prickly Interview Heaven

“What percentage of white women do you hate? And there is a right answer.”

5/10/2021 4:43:00 PM

The first episode of Ziwe's new late-night show offered a rare look at Fran Lebowitz in the hot seat.

“What percentage of white women do you hate? And there is a right answer.”

The interview is cut into segments that span the length ofZiwe’sdebut episode—a funny, assured expansion of the comedian’s Instagram Live show, offering a blend of high- and low-brow race-driven inquiries. It’s all couched in Ziwe’s absurdo-glam Barbie studio aesthetic and

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Eric Andre Show–esque effects and cutaways.The episode also offered a rare look at Lebowitz in the hot seat. Usually, when the cultural icon (and longtimeVanity Faircontributor) speaks into a mic, she’s holding forth at a public speaking event, or making her friend (and

Pretend It’s a Citydirector)laugh his head off.That said, the famously opinionated Lebowitz fared better under Ziwe’s microscope than most of the guests who squirmed through the Instagram Live version of the show. She gamely countered questions like “What do you hate more, slow walkers or racism?” (For the record: “I encounter more slow walkers. However, obviously they’re not comparable.”)

Lebowitz also got political, delivering a take on Barack Obama’s presidency that proved too pointed forZiwe’s slice of late night. “We will not be airing this because we want to go to the Roc Nation Brunch,” the show’s subtitles read, bleeping out Lebowitz’s criticism and cutting to a giant poster of

Michelle Obama. That moment encapsulated the ethos ofZiwe.“My ultimate goal isn’t to get my guests canceled, truly!” Ziwe toldVanity Fairlast year, when her Instagram show first exploded. “I’m just trying to have a good discussion about race and entertain people.”

The first episode gamely does just that, including a delirious bit about American Girl Dolls, an impassioned talk with real-life women named Karen, and an interview with the one and onlyGloria Steinem, who gently disassociates as Ziwe reads her the lyrics to

Cardi BMegan Thee Stallion’s “WAP.”And in case you’re worried about any lingering tension between Ziwe and Lebowitz: The interview ended with the author chummily signing a copy of her bookMetropolitan Life,which Ziwe instructed her to sign as “Yourpeer

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, Fran Lebowitz.” Lebowitz gave her a look, then signed off as “Your pal.” Read more: VANITY FAIR »

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