Evidence grows that infections provide as much protection as vaccines, prompting some experts to suggest a nuanced approach to vaccine mandates Vaccination is a far safer, more reliable strategy for acquiring immunity, given the risks of serious illness or death from infection.
OMG please educate yourself! 85% of COVID hospitalizations are from the unvaccinated.
Well, I don’t know but wouldn’t INFECTION carry the possibility of a DEATH WISH versus a PREVENTATIVE strategy of VACCINATION? If I vaccinate at least I WON’T SUFFER as much vs GOING COMMANDO and I might end up on a ventilator or DIE? To me, the choice seems OBVIOUS.
This can't be true. The natural immune system is a myth propagated by the right wing media to undermine the efforts of government and BigPharma.
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When will you understand that the path to immunity has cost over 770k lives in the US alone? You cannot end the pandemic through mass murder as being suggested here.
BOLSHOI! The latest data suggests that people who have had covid 19 A can be reinfected by the new strain.
If it doesn’t kill you first…
WSJ still clueless about something civilizations have known since ancient Greece. Natural immunity is FAR superior to any artificial innoculation.
Is this the WSJ saying after 770,000 dead we should just eff around and find out?
Uh oh the snowflakes heads will explode on that one. Let’s see how many uninformed tools have hysterical reactions?
Media companies that get advertising $ from Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson implying that natural immunity might work equally. The most comprehensive studies show natural immunity is several fold more effective. Here's the study that showed 13x more effective
You mean we should just allow people to catch Covid rather than vaccinate them? Is that *really* what the WSJ is arguing?
The divide: some are more interested in money / some what’s best for citizens.
Then stop forcing us to get the vaccine
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Why are we pretending that we don’t know natural immunity is up to 16 times better ?
There is no stronger than. It depends on our Lifestyle, Blood Sugar and Toxicity. More bad lifestyle, high blood sugar and full of toxin in our body because of pollution and radiation makes our immunity low and can't adapt with virus, bacteria, fungi faster.
By scientists you mean big pharma executives
Natural immunity is stronger then vaccines immunity. I’ve only seen vaccine idols die off Covid-19’s.
Unfortunately this POTUS cares more about political posturing than science.
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It is unbelievable that we are still having this conversation. That a vaccine can do better at immunization than natural infection flies in the face of everything we know about the human immune system.
Proposal: Fund rapid research into an antibodies and immunity test--if someone tests positive to antibodies and immunity, let that count as equal to 'fully vaccinated'.
Makes perfect sense. The vaccine or recovering from COVID are equally good. Fauci needs to start following the science rather than making up his own to fit the narrative.
Natural immunity learns faster than a vaccine. Most vaccines are designed to attack specific proteins and wheen down over time where Natural immunity will continue to build up unless you have a health condition which prevents that. Vaccines should not be given to healthy people
This is the science the drug manufacturers don't want you to hear. Yes, drug manufacturers want covid to go on. If you think they don't you are an idiot. This is the best cash grab they have ever had. Peoples health is second or third on the list of drug manufacturers priority
We had Covid in our family after Thanksgiving. Some vaccinated did well, some did not. Some of us were unvaccinated. One of the vaccinated ones had worse symptoms than everyone else.
Notice how they try to word it. 'At least as strong'. It's well known natural immunity is far stronger than vaccination.
Now you writing about this ?!?
Oh wow. Twitter is not removing this information?
Does the vaccine really work? On a 7 day moving average in the US on 12/2/21, 8/15, 3/31 and 11/3/2020 there were 937 daily deaths, on 12/2/21, 10/10, 8/3, 2/14 and 11/4/2020 there were 93,680 daily cases. Vaccinations have gone from 0% 11/3/2020 to 70% 12/1/2021. Cases are SAME
oh my golly gosh, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out
I have had both so I’m good. 🤣
Natural immunity is best.
What do you mean?! Covid is the only disease in the history of mankind where natural immunity doesn’t exist!!!
It's better
Just glad to see public debate among subject matter experts. Past year and... we only had mainstream media reporting CDC/WHO. Everyone else was silenced censored. Our best medical discoveries come from peer reviews. Somehow on this particular topic the US became a fascist state.
You have the marvel at the absolute stupidity of this debate. Is it safer to get a vaccine which has very mild side effects, or risk hospitalization or death to gain immunity? Oh so confusing.
Omicron is the common cold. And as for severity, Covid is only severe for the obese. 90% of deaths were obese. 95% of hospitalizations obese. Put down the Twinkie and go for a run.
How on Earth did the elite let this article get published?
“Population-level evidence suggests that the Omicron variant is associated with substantial ability to evade immunity from prior infection…Urgent questions remain regarding whether Omicron is also able to evade vaccine-induced immunity...”
Interesting how science seems to vary with the market 🤔
JedediahBila Considering that mammals have been acquiring natural immunity for 65 million years at least, this hardly comes as a surprise.
JedediahBila Only now is the evidence building?
JedediahBila Again,my kid got it 2x in 6 months. Natural immunity isn't great either . Maybe we start changing policies around isolation and quarantines. This is unsustainable.
At least as, My coworker has high antibodies even 19months after walking thru covid, he was asimptomatic case tested +
You actually printed this?!?! Incredibly ittesponsible
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Hey WSJ this article was published a week ago, so maybe stop tweeting it in light of 'The omicron variant of COVID-19 appears to have a 'substantial ability' to evade natural immunity acquired from past COVID-19 infections'?
doing russias job for them
Well, the downside of this strategy is that over 770K of infected Americans never got that protection. Now how many did die as a direct result of the vaccination? Divide that number by the 770K and you can see which way is lower risk to gain (temporary) protection.
This new strain just said 'Shut the f up '
Which has a greater chance of death; the virus or the vaccine?
Yes, but there aren't risks of long haul, neurological and lung fibrosis problems with vaccines.
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Well yeah, immunity, other than the fact you have to do the opposite of immunity
Even if that ends up being the case, the effects of contracting the disease itself are far more unpredictable with them ranging from mild to hospitalization and possibly death.
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Natural immunity not studies as extensively? We are here, relied on natural immunity of thousands of years.
You can't make profit on natural immunity.
Literally yesterday it was reported that ppl who had been previously infected are testing positive to Omicron. CDCgov needs to clarify.
Why in the WORLD would this even be an option to consider, given the long-term effects of COVID?!
“at least just as strong” aka actually stronger
It's fairly simple. If you catch Covid19 you have immunity to that particular strain for a time,unknown. The vaccine s do the same plus give more protection against other variants and enhance your immune system to except booster specific vacines later.
Quem diria não é mesmo?
Ya don’t say? 🤦♂️
Do say. I had my vax after having covid twice both times with mild symptoms. Zero reaction to the vax. I only got it so I could travel.
3rd shot not happening bud!
*13x stronger
The rich western investors will work heavily behind the scene to ensure vaccine is made compulsory for everyone despite the infected having a better immunity than the vaccinated
Evidence is building? How are you just realizing this?
Natural Immunity, it’s not even up for debate.
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immunise! the pathogen kills
Scientists?!?! Actual scientist?!?!
So tired of this sh*t. This was common knowledge less than two years ago. People have peanut butter for brains.
Of course, it is as good or better than vaccination. If you survive and don't have a permanent damage.
so we are allowed to say this now without getting cancelled?
Cerca de 12x mais forte. Eles vão MORRER de medo em admitir isso. Mas a verdade é implacável! Ela é como aquelas amoebas que, quanto mais apertamos ela fechando a mão, mais vaza por entre os dedos. A verdade não liga pra militância.
File this under no sh*t
I think the salient point many are trying to make is that NI is or = to the jab. So if someone has NI get off their back about getting 💉
🤣well well well…
the only way to get covid under control is to close all borders, with technology over 90% of business can be done virtually, yet there are CEO's & governments who want but don't need that face to face meeting, close borders & see just how fast corona is under control
This is the most racist thing I've ever seen.
This is starting to sound a lot like the flu. Get your 5G booster if you've got a weak-ass immune system and leave the rest of us to it.
And then there is the damaged lungs you can live with the rest of your life.
Scientists are always divided over pretty much everything. That's why it was odd to hear Dr. Fauci say he represented Science.
Immunity is scientific? Who would have thought.
Translation. 'Scientists are divided on the implications for future funding if they announce their findings'
A lot of people die with a “natural immunity” policy. We know this.
Yeah we’ll see. This is all still very murky. Either way, people are entitled to bodily autonomy and if they don’t want a vaccine, there’s nothing you can do. If the vaccine is so great, simply explaining how great it is and showing the data will be enough for most to get it.
Oh really? who could imagine?
'Building'... This isn't an attack on vaccines, but the evidence that infection provides better immunity than vaccines is overwhelming, and has been for months. Keep up.
Just measure antibodies.....
So if I tested positive for COVID and recovered I don't need the vaccine.. Nice
Good don’t get vaccinated who cares anymore. No one.
Using natural immunity would mean unnecessarily killing millions of people when a perfectly safe vaccine is a viable alternative. Being divided on this issue is a seriously disgusting problem.
The most important point in the article only gets one sentence: “One thing is clear: Vaccination is a far safer, more reliable strategy for acquiring immunity, given the risks of serious illness or death from infection.”
As long as the Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch I will always consider it an unreliable source
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After all the propaganda HerdImmunity is not a thing? How will you spin this one? 90% of Adult in the UK have antibodies 💁🏽♂️
Should PRE-EXISTNG IMMUNITY ... ... be a standard *test* before any vaccine?
Well, let me think about this one… So there’s a (contrary to popular belief) perfectly safe vaccine on one hand and a virus (which can potentially kill me, my loved ones and others, or could seriously damage my health) on the other. Wow, that’s a difficult decision… 🤔
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The difference here is that the vaccines are _safe_, and contracting COVID is often deadly. I can't read the article, but I sure hope that it responsibly reports that getting the vaccine is the sensible thing to do, even for those who have previously had COVID.
Try far more strong than…
Always follow the money
How very irresponsible to put own agenda in WSJ. Your so called “division”’of scientist maybe is between 99% and 1% of them. The very vast majority has and continue to state immunity from vaccines is stronger, prevents hospitalization and lasts longer
False the people that are not vaccinated aren’t creating new variant. All these new variant that you hear about happen on the vaccinated they’re are hosts for the virus
One comes with a possibility of severe illness, the other prevents it.
Sure it is safe for you guys to be tweeting what is old news to most of us?
why would scientists be divided? aren't they following the science?
Duh, science!
What about immunity that came from both COVID-19 infection and vaccination?
Should PRE-EXISTNG IMMUNITY ... ... be a standard *test* before any vaccine?
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Let's say it turns out to be true that the vaccine and actual infection both give the same immunity: With the vaccine, you can get the immunity without getting infected. The other way, you have to GET INFECTED to get immunity. We know more about the virus and have meds, but still
It's easy: of the scientist if paid by Big Pharma then vaccines are better. If not natural immunity is 20 times better and you don't have to modify your RNA.
Key question is defining 'scientist'. A good chunk of them are medical doctors: philosophers at best. Another fat slice has got their pockets dirty with bigpharma's money. Hence why so few of them make actual sense.
Risk death for an equal chance at immunity as a vaccine that doesn't require as much a risk of death. How is this piss poor logic a thing in adults that have been to school and are still alive?
I’m doing fine with my third no problem whatsoever now with the flu shot,when will the non- VAXer realise how stupid they are because when they are dead it is too late. remember you all get vaccinated and wear a mask when needed and be a part of the solution and not the problem.
sure get sick when you don't have to. risk death or life long illness. seems good choice
Evidence is also building that a new Mercedes costs at least as much as a used Kia. Carryon.
Not supported by the latest evidence. Irresponsible
Isn’t there a huge trial going on? Or will be soon?
Thank you wall street journal my smart smart financial advisor, puts on vaccines it is
Inku_Lux 'A natural infection risks death', on this on another level of magnitude than vaccination - Please don't feed dangerous ideas to antivaxxer.
If we dont take the vaccine then we are 98% protected from covid and 100% protected from vaccine side effects.
Good morning America. But I have to give you credit for even taking about it..
I’d say natural immunity is better against variants because it’s focused on viral DNA instead of spike patterns. But there’s a chance that you could die acquiring that natural immunity, so…
Not groundbreaking news
Evidence is building...not evidence. Get the vaccine even if you have covid. Have comfort that you are helping your community and not killing others in your community.
This is irresponsible and will lead to more death.
Is this not similar to the flu vaccine. You will not get the flu twice in one year, but next year you are at risk to get the flu again as the virus mutates. Occasionally the flu vaccine as produced misses one of the mutations and the vaccine not as effective
Natural immunity is the safest thing to do if you are young and healthy
Really? Not according to this article from today’s paper.
Evidence is building that immunity from Covid-19 infection is at least as strong as that from vaccination. Scientists are divided on the implications for vaccine policy. 'I'm not vaccinated, and I'm not getting vaccinated because I'm an American'. - RepMTG
Murdoch evidence? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Scientists have known since the pre-smallpox time that natural immunity works. Milkmaids gained permanent natural immunity by catching a milder version of the virus from cows. So, why do modern scientists still debate whether natural immunity works? 100+ years later?
Murdoch’s mouthpiece. We live longer because is science!
There is absolutely no evidence that hybrid immunity (vaccinating the previously infected) does not provide superior protection.
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Seriously, why do you want more people to get sick and die? How does that make more money for Murdoch?
Yay natural immunity and the increased risk of long term side effects that could have been mitigated with a vaccine.
😂 but durrrr anti vaxxers durrrrr
If the vaccines work, then the immunity should be equivalent. Vaccine immunity should not rise above that conferred by infection.
It will never end, until we decide to end it.
Fucking DUH!!!!!!!
Vaccines don’t work … they cause harmful side effects including death and you can still get sick and die from the virus anyway … you care about your health watch what you eat ! Go whole food plant based !
My kids attend a private school. 15 kids out 23 test positive for COVid. All stayed hold A-symptomatic. Vaccine for kids is bull crap.
No, it's not.
Bulldhit. Natural immunity is always better. The only ones saying no are paid by Democrats and soros
What an asinine argument. Do we actually believe people should instead catch the virus for immunity over receiving the vaccine? Over strengthening your immunity with a booster? Evidence actually shows that by failing to follow simple precautions, COVID will be with us longer.
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Can we sue if they were wrong? They probably knew how effective the vaccine was and wanted to scam 8 billion people out of money before the walls came closing in. That’s why it’s so spreadable! The vaccine isn’t working to STOP the spread. That should raise questions!
Sooo, what about 'long haul' COVID syndrome?
Wrong
This sounds like something a first year virology undergraduate would learn.
Now do an article on which one may kill you and which one will definitely prevent you from dying.
Say what now?
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If you haven't worked out that getting vaxed then 3 months later, getting an infection, is the best future protection, then you haven't been engaging with the real data.
Don’t be afraid to speak English : Natural immunity is far more superior than vaccination.
I know two healthy young individuals, unvaccinated, who have gotten covid twice. Both around 6 months after the first time. Anecdotal, but true. And just as important as the not peer reviewed study that didn’t even take into account who in the study had travelled overseas. 🙄
It's stronger. Who has had covid twice? Hardly anyone is who. How many have tested positive after being fully vaccinated? My money is on millions of fully vaccinated have.
Other countries like Italy accept proof of recovery, proof of vaccination and/or a negative Covid test… We should be doing the same. It’s called common sense.
Yawn
Except for the 30% of people who develop no antibodies antibodies after infection of course.
I know there's one thing behind the vaccination.I am naturally immune
Origin of Covid-19 coronavirus. The WHO must investigate all evidence especially in countries where there are early reports of the coronavirus appearing.
Immunity from covid 19 is free that's the problem
One small difference: you have to survive COVID to have the immunity and more than 750,000 Americans wish they had a do over
You gotta survive being infected, tho
Antibody response is optimal in those who are vaccinated after previously contracting Covid-19. Get vaxxed everybody!!! When ALL are vaxxed we can render Covid endemic, ending this deadly global pandemic
Best to keep moving on and not fear so much. The virus continues to travel just take care and relax.
See the answer all along should have been to let 6 million people die and then everyone else would be fine and no one would be inconvenienced for even a minute. Freedim
Should PRE-EXISTNG IMMUNITY ... ... be a standard *test* before any vaccine?
Two inexpensive shots is insanely cheap insurance. I’m sure my unvaxxed friend coming up on 4 weeks in the ICU might have a different opinion now.
Natural immunity means your DNA 🧬 print can adjust to attacking viruses 🦠 Biology 🧬 101
And it even lasts longer… Surprise!
Come up with a titer test if this whole dance is still about avoiding vaccination. There should also be repercussions for knowingly infecting someone whether they survive or not.
This has never been about health or science I has been about consolidating power and fascist policies.
This is not new
Scientists are divided because most of them are scared of the implications to their funding.
Even if true the effects from the vaccines are more predictable and controlled.
As long as you don’t die from the disease first. That’s the rub.
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