Let's be honest, not everybody needs to go to university

In 1960, one school leaver in 50 went to university. In 2000, it was one in three. Now it’s one in two. Might that proportion be too high? After all, not everyone is suited to a university education. The 50 per cent figure is not a product of the market. It was decreed by Tony Blair, rather as Marxist governments used to decree factory production targets. To meet that target, we subsidise universities to the tune of £24 billion a year.

DanielJHannan No.

DanielJHannan Daniel Hannan, however, did need to go to university to read that well known vocational degree, modern history. But of course his is a totally different case. What possible benefit could a young person, who didn't attend a school like Marlborough, gain from reading history?

DanielJHannan Why, as most of the grads that I've worked with are the thickest people I've ever met. They have no common sense or the resl work.

DanielJHannan Degrees have been devalued, too many vocational degrees.

DanielJHannan Yes

DanielJHannan It was done originally for one reason only, to keep young people of the unemployment list. Not sure of the decade but there was a huge youth unemployment problem, so Tony Blairs gov. pushed all they could down the uni route. 😒😒

DanielJHannan Let's consider the ridiculous % of pple who toddle off to University for 'the experience', to work for a degree in questionable subjects, which don't aid work prospects, against the amount in the future who will be getting the state basic income. Something doesn't add up surely?

DanielJHannan Too many institutions offering degrees that won't cut mustard in job market.

DanielJHannan Raise the bar to 1960's level for boffins at real (not pretend) Unis? Restore chuck out rates+highly prized degrees? Create well paid, selective, technical sch leaver apprenticeships giving lifelong employment like Leeds City Engineer Joe Bailey's in Lift Maintenance Engineering?

DanielJHannan Waaay too high!!!

DanielJHannan In order for these figures to make any sense, it is perfectly obvious that entry standards have been lowered dramatically since 1960. There can be only one obvious reason for this and just about everybody knows what it is...

DanielJHannan You've got to love articles written by people who had the opportunity of a university education, telling people who are not as fortunate that they don't need such an opportunity. Few articles like this coming from certain media. Interesting narrative. Wonder what might be coming?

DanielJHannan Why is Dan writing an article explicitly suggesting parents shouldn't send the child to university? Practically everything he writes, and everything he says, does that. He's basically the poster child of what can go wrong if you send your offspring to university.

DanielJHannan A generation of entitled leftists £50k in debt with degrees in diversity working minimum wage at Tesco.... what could possibly go wrong?

DanielJHannan Once students became customers, this was inevitable. The debt collectors are next...

DanielJHannan Send em back down the mines

DanielJHannan Definitely too high. Look to the German model for sensible vocational training for school leavers.

DanielJHannan Lol

DanielJHannan Yes.

DanielJHannan

julia_reid DanielJHannan It is, many are all doing degrees that have no point & will never give them a proper Job, I’m surprised theres not a degree for ‘Become a Millionaire winner on X-Factor’ or ‘Became a Multimillionaire Footballer’

DanielJHannan By all means go to university bit gt a job after not keep on sucking the blood of the tax payer

DanielJHannan Funny how all these thoughtful articles don’t address a) what then, is the minimal level of education for a functioning citizen, & 2) the external benefits beyond job opportunities of education

DanielJHannan As someone who has had to sift through CVs for Java programming jobs, the degree was quite the way down the list. Experience, participation in an open source project(s) etc was far more important. Plus a programming test. Some of the grads failed real bad at this.

DanielJHannan Hannan is an idiot

DanielJHannan For your kids but not for Dan’s

DanielJHannan A waste of money for many.

DanielJHannan Today's university education is grossly overrated. It has become an end in itself, not a means to an end.

DanielJHannan Makes me cringe when I hear some students studying law open their mouthes and pronounce words like ‘nuffink’ or one ‘fousand’ 🙈

DanielJHannan You don’t need to go to Uni to be a brickie,a plumber or a sparkie....or a polis for that matter.....and the country needs all of the aforementioned.. ...

DanielJHannan Dan says ' Now it’s one in two. Might that proportion be too high?' Then Dan says ' Let's be honest, not everybody needs to go to university' When he's just said that 50% don't go to university . Nobody is proposing that they should - Premium

DanielJHannan I've been saying this for 20 years. We're going to have binmen with degree's. It's utterly insane

DanielJHannan More & more bright kids are deciding not to go to university. They don’t see the point unless they have a real passion for a subject or it will train them for a job. It’s the dimmer ones who keep going because they still believe the lie that a good job is guaranteed at the end.

DanielJHannan True, specially nowadays, what’s the point to pay a fortune simply to become an unemployable Marxist social warrior?

DanielJHannan Ten a penny!

DanielJHannan It's true that not everyone needs to go, but, if 50%, or more, want to go, why not?

DanielJHannan Diss degrees should be all done at cost whoever you are

DanielJHannan I don't know how many young people *should* going to university, but it is a great pity that many young people who are not keen have been led to believe that they *have* to go to university to stand any chance of getting a decent job. (This is not only a British problem, BTW.)

DanielJHannan We’ll, yeah! But we, in education, weren’t allowed to tell the truth to students...we had to go along the « University is for All » route.

DanielJHannan Until it's 2 in 2 you are holding people's heads under water and telling them it's for their own good. We are so far away from equal opportunity right now. How many poor people or those in care go to elite unis? How many kids of even average earning middle class go to Oxbridge?

DanielJHannan All that debt on young people really is t good

DanielJHannan More important is continuous learning. Uni is the answer for some careers but not all. It seems though it’s become a badge of honour and where peer pressure forces some down that route away from watchful parents and into debt before they’re 21.

DanielJHannan That 50% are now receiving a university education (which in 2020 includes a free woke indoctrination) explains why society is plagued by so many brainwashed and smug ‘progressives’ erroneously convinced a university education signifies intellectual superiority!🤦‍♀️

DanielJHannan It seemed to start as a way of keeping the young off the dole. Delay the inevitable ‘get a job or join the losers club’ dilemma. Now it’s just normal. Like going to school. 🤷‍♀️

DanielJHannan University standards today - some of them - are equivalent to O-level achievement in 1960?

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