Kwasi Kwarteng says closing parliament's bars would be 'excessively puritanical' as MPs call for culture change

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Mr Kwarteng also admitted that the scheme to deal with sexual misconduct allegations in parliament, which was set up in 2018, 'isn't working sufficiently well' but 'needs time to really get going'.

The 65-year-old farmer had initially vowed to continue as MP for Tiverton and Honiton but said he would quit after recognising the"furore" and"damage" he was causing his family and constituency., days after two female Tory MPs said they witnessed him watching pornography on his mobile phone on two separate occasions.

He said:"I think the problem we have is that people are working in a really intense environment, there are long hours, and I think generally most people know their limits, they know how to act respectfully."With Neil , I think he did the right thing. He did something which in most other professions you would be sacked for doing and he voluntarily resigned and I think his position was very difficult.

He also called for"political leadership", alleging that when a Conservative colleague gets into trouble, ministers'"first instinct is to push it off into the long grass, hide what's happening, and that's a political problem because the fish rots from the head".

 

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Maybe they could do with a bit of 'puritanical'?

“Excessively puritanical” How very 2022

Sober MPs would be a good start.

What would Cromwell do!

Off with their heads!

😂

of course a man would say that.

Other workplaces don’t have bars, it’s a place of work, not a gentleman’s club, time to modernise the whole set up.

Why on earth do you need a bar at your work ffs, you can drink in a normal bar AFTER your work is done, like the rest of the population

Was he drunk at the time?

OldBobCyprus Was it this guy who said Teachers and Dr's were all drinking on the job? Pot, kettle... StopSubsidisingFreeLoadingTories ToryCorruption

MPs take the piss with expenses and subsidised food/drink. Maybe they should live in the real world. They get paid a decent wage and what do most of them do all day, obviously watch porn and drink. Conservatives UKLabour LibDems

No bars in nhs no bars in asda no bars in any offices I have been to no bar in police station no bar in any prison no bars in any work places so why do you need a bar in parliament

Why?

What did he say about most of the toilets being lightly dusted with cocaine?

Heaven forbid the people who are supposed to govern the country have to do it sober 🤦‍♀️

And yet, almost all workplaces manage to do without their workers hanging out in on site bars during work hours just fine. So sick of this attitude of entitlement & exceptionalism in UKG.

A whole change of culture is needed. Get rid of bars. Alcohol limited to 1 drink with a meal & have working hours from 9-6.

time for drug testing. watching PMQ is like an after party in the 90s

Close when Parl is sitting.

Back in the days of 'Life on Mars' when I was a PC, most Police HQ & Divisional HQ's had bars. Thankfully that came to an end by the early 80's predominantly because of the atrocious behaviour of drunken officers. Was that Excessively Puritanical or just Common Sense.

I don’t know about anyone else , but we are not allowed alcohol on site at my workplace. I am a civil servant 🤷‍♀️

Why do you actually need bars at work it's just completely unprofessional. Go to work do your job properly which in some cases doesn't happen and then after work like many of us go have a drink outside of the Houses of Parliament

KwasiKwarteng on percentages it’s more than just a few bad apples, the rot needs to be cut away. There’s a very real canteen culture of depravation within parliament. Shut the bars, restaurants and canteens. End second jobs, advisory roles. Introduce routine checking of phones

Onsite workplace bars are so last millennium. Are our lawmakers drunk when making our laws?

How many of us have bars, subsidised bars, IN our workplace?

Isn’t he the court jester in parliament

Can teachers, the NHS and police have a subsidised bar too?

He's a Tory.

I cant believe there are bars open all day in a public service environment subsidised by taxpayer. Why are there not bars in hospitals, police stations, local & county council premises, CPS hubs etc ? Time for change ? Why are politicians not subject of random drugs tests ?

Do all workplaces in the UK have bars selling alcohol?

No it would send a message that MPs are expected to behave in a professional manner in the workplace, instead of getting hammers at lunch (at the tax payers expense) and behaving like animals in the HOC. NO other workplace would see provision of a bar as ‘the norm.

Close the bars and stop subsidising their food and drink. It’s a workplace and should be treated like any workplace.

Yeh but refusing to give kids food over school holidays until you are shamed into it is fine. In essence, his cheap drink is more important than feeding kids from poor families, and no matter what you may think about the families, it’s not the kids fault.

What other employment provides their ‘workforce’ a bar !! Why do they need alcohol in the workplace

Close the bars. Drug and alcohol tests.

Yeah if they were sober then they'd have to be aware of their actions

Why Nobody should really be drinking alcohol during working hours especially when making decisions that directly affect us all

Drunken policies no good for any carer 🧐, need to throw out the drunks, way before closing time 🧐

It's not the bars it's the politician's

So car park charges introduced for NHS critical care staff but MPs can toddle off through the corridors to a subsidised bar - here’s a suggestion - Parliament needs a metaphorical colonic irrigation so ban all current 650 MPs from standing at next election and let’s start again

Why? Where else in a workplace do you have so many places to drink and at heavily subsidised prices on our taxpayer monies? Also, why KwasiKwarteng does the subsidy need to extend to the restaurants in Parliament? You get paid enough!

Strikes me that Parliament acts like a university campus and the behaviours of “some” MPs kind of show this, they even take nearly as many holidays too, they can go,to the pub after work if they want an alcoholic drink.

Because we all have a bar in the buildings we work in. Don’t we.

I remember the shift bar at my father's works where you could have a drink before and after your shift

Vested interest … not puritanical at all, just seeking professionalism and attention to detail!

Supposed to be a place of work not a drinking den or bordello.

Do workplaces especially those in the public sector have bars on site? Some workplaces have it written in specific policies regarding no alcohol on site.

There's no other workplace in the land where you can drink alcohol and where you are allowed to take your phone OR turn up when you feel like it! Parliament is a workplace get used to it

Time to do it.

Get off the phones. Schoolchildren aren't allowed them in class and they act like schoolchildren so..........

What workplace has it’s own subsidised bar? Maybe they should just get on with the job sober 🤷‍♂️ small boys club, pathetic. Who going to support there subsidised pissups from a public point of view no one? 🤔🤷‍♂️

I can’t think of any large workplace with a bar in it (except of course pubs, clubs and events spaces. This is a throwback to the 1960s and 70s - would save a heap of cash if they just had catering facilities and no bar.

They're excessively puritanical for everyone else, they should suffer the same.

Cool! In that case when can we have one installed in the local hospital where I work. Don't want to be too puritanical. 🤔🤷

Why. Drinking at work no longer acceptable.

'If the Tories weren't pissed they might have to actually think about the horrific policies they're voting for'

Kwarsi like cheap food and beer Fixed it for you

Drug test them all

It’s not necessary to have a bar in a workplace. It could easily not sell alcohol. It’s also not necessary for politicians to use it & it would be easy enough for political parties not to. Alcohol is banned in my workplace & many workplaces across the U.K.

And yet it's a stackable offence to drink in most places of work outside parliament. One rule for them!!

There’s zero need for alcohol at work. Zero.

Why do they have alcohol at work? It's a disciplinary offence in normal workplaces. toryparties

If the bars are closed all MP’s will have to pay their bar bill and they don’t want that.

I worked in aircraft manufacturing and they closed our social club at lunch time to stop staff drinking that was back in the 80's!

In any other job drinking on duty is a sacking offence or reprimand, watching porn, getting pissed, making sexual remarks, is only allowed in the House of Commons is not only that you have to call these arse holes the RIGHT HOURNBLE as well that is a f*****g joke it really is

How can being puritanical, which mean very strict on the basis of morality, be excessively? It also begs the question, why do members of Parliament enjoy privileges they have had a hand in revoking from other walks of life in the working sector? They are just legalised thugs!

There's no other work place that allows bars ! Why is it mps think it right to have bars in parliament and bars that are subsidised by the tax payer as well as mps asking for a receipt to claim their drinks as expenses . Shut the bars come into 2022 and grow up

Closing the bars offering cheap / subsidised alcohol would be a step in line with other public bodies . No bars in hospitals , fire stations or police stations . Civil Service departments not allowed alcohol on premises . Drink where you want and pay the going rate

Fine but stop subsidising them and perhaps then they won't all end up pissed

Freeloading, expense claiming bunch of leeches. Grt out and support the local bars and restaurants if you want to drink and stuff your faces.

A prime minister and MPs should be spot checked for alcohol test before going into the chamber, and drugged tested

No employer needs a bar other than a hospitality venue. Public servants should spend their te serving their constituents, not getting pished at our expense CorruptToriesOut JohnsonLiedPeopleDied

Kwasi “it’s not for me to say” Kwarteng has a view on not closing Parliament bars but not on a windfall tax from oil companies or increasing benefits in line with inflation.

Can you ask KamiKwasi what other workplace has bars serving alcohol. Not professional. Period

The subsidised ones you mean? Subsidised by the tax payer

Labour quiet about all those evil Tory Mysogenists today? Now it turns out Rayner said it herself. Quiet about partygate today? now it turns out Starmer broke rules worse than Boris Going on about Tory watching porn, ignoring pissed up Female Labour MP physical assault on Tory

PS who pays for the booze? Does it go on expenses? Parliament kwasi

He would do. The bars and the restaurants are heavily subsidised. We have not allowed alcohol on fire stations for 25 + years, why is still allowed in Parliament?

Maybe it is but we need a radical shift in culture. A 12 month no booze bar policy, let's see how it goes. It can't be any worse that's for sure!

Haha, every other work place bar has been SHUT!

Hey we aren’t allowed a bar at our work place so why should they have a bar in their work turn it into a cafe teas,coffee and soft drinks only

No need to close the bars just STOP the subsidies ... they should pay PUB prices like we do ... 🍹🍸🍷🥂🥃🍺🍾

In every town how many pubs have closed down. Mp's really need to start living in the real world.

They could cut the subsidies.

Perhaps we need a bit of Cromwellian puritanical principles for the ‘children’ in charge of our country. Unfortunately there is no INTEGRITY transplant avail for the ToryMPs

I don’t have a bar or resteraunt at work - so why should I subsidise one for parliamentarians?

I remember 20 years ago when politicians were telling us that it was unacceptable and indefensible to have social clubs on Fire Stations. Hypocrisy and politicians go hand in hand

Funny how when we try to change what MPs do it's punitive but, when they trash public sector pay and pensions its essential to maintain the public purse and its fair

Don’t know any workplace (not related to food/drink) where you have an on-site bar. It’s unimaginable. And these idiots make decisions that affect us all…

Tell me you’re out of touch without telling me you’re out of touch

But shouldn’t they pay London prices.

Most people don’t have a fecking bar in their work place .

The bars and restaurants should not be subsidised by the tax payers. Many working people can't afford basics yet MPs with a £2.000 pay rise don't pay full price at Westminster. IMO alcohol shouldn't be consumed in any workplace whilst working.

Put in place the same arrangements in the HoC as exists in the NHS. And absolutely no booze during working hours.

In the 80s, bars in offices were sometimes seen, drinks over lunch in the local were acceptable. In the 90s/00s that all changed. Parliament is 20 years behind the times, in part because MPs in safe seats have been insulated from the working world for 20+ years. It can't go on 🤦

What other workplace has something like this for it’s employees? How much does it cost the taxpayer? It’s about time MPs stopped taking the piss out of us all

So out of touch! work places with bars? Many workplaces would treat it as Gross misconduct if you were drinking alcohol whilst at work. Of course Kwasi wants to keep subsidised drinks for him & his Tory friends. One rule for them, one rule for us! Culture & Govchange required

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