England v Ireland: 'No-one argues with a Farrell' as father and son prepare for Twickenham game

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Andy and Owen Farrell are not most fathers and sons. BBC chief sports writer Tom Fordyce explains why.

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Listen on BBC Radio 5 Live Sports Extra; live text commentary on the BBC Sport website and app; highlights online and on BBC Two from 18:00 GMT.Stage one: father teaches son. Stage two: father lets son win. Stage three: equally matched. Stage four: son unrepentantly triumphant. Stage five: son patronises father by throwing him occasional bones.

"You would hear one of them talk and you would not know which one it was," former England scrum-half Danny Care told"The way they talk to a group, how they manage to make you want to go and play a Test match on a Monday or Tuesday morning in a meeting room. They manage to inspire you, and they do it with a massive amount of emotion.

You don't instinctively think of the Farrells as emotional. The stereotype is of hard northern men playing rugby league and union in an unrelenting, uncompromising fashion. Then you think about Owen before England played the All Blacks in their World Cup semi-final four months ago. Bringing the players around him in the final training session, firing out sentences like stiff right jabs."Our pace. Not how they want to play it. Right?"You don't instinctively think of Farrells as talkative. Northern boys, say the stereotypes, keep it stripped back.

"It's because he knows the game inside out and he knows what it should look like. He's got all these mental pictures of what an aggressive, physical defence should look like. If you're not up to speed, he will call you out."Andy Farrell was Saracens assistant coach from 2009 to 2012 Rugby is the job, the all-consuming passion. The point of it is to win. It doesn't mean you dispense with the deep personal bonds that will tie you forever.

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