Covid: Tiers and Christmas - a recipe for disaster?

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England's lockdown is coming to an end, tiers are coming back and new rules will come in for Christmas - but scientists are warning it could lead to a third wave of infections - so is the government doing the right thing?

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A new system of regional tiers will come into force next week. That will be followed by a relaxation of rules at Christmas across the UK which will allow up to three households to meet over the festive period.The scientists think so…

"Why risk getting infected and infecting others over the holidays? Delaying by a few months is perfectly rational given solutions within sight in the spring." She now fears we will "pay for" Christmas with lockdowns in the new year.What is certainly true is that more mixing will lead to more infections. That is a given since the virus thrives on human contact.

Prof Stephen Reicher, an expert in social psychology at the University of St Andrews who also sits on SPI-B, says it is impossible to know to what extent the public would have followed the restrictions at Christmas had they remained in place. Prof Reicher says what the government has to do now is provide good, clear advice on how to reduce the risks, from ensuring rooms are ventilated to the benefits of isolating before getting together.

And, even where that is not the case, a year spent not seeing family and being isolated from people has clearly taken its toll.

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NO

No!

And other scientists disagree ,but that doesn’t fit the story.

But people in tier 3 can travel all over the country, mixing with 2 other households over five special days when covid is on annual leave? January and February are going to be dreadful

UK went wrong in March. Total lock down was needed. So easy for an island but economics and those total wankers in Parliament are still reaping the rewards while 10’s of thousands die. A fucking joke for the most developed country in the world

Well no. Because scientists are saying it could lead to a third wave of infections

Stuff the rules 🖕 still going to continue to ignore and carry on as normal

Lockdowns not coming to an end!!!

No end to be misery for hospitality. How many owners will contemplate suicide due to this shambles.

You can thank the covidiots and their rule breaking for this.. Stay at home wear a mask if you go out.. it's not hard.. if everyone put as much effort into sticking to the rules etc as they do into moaning about the situation we'll be out of this mess a lot quicker! Simple!

phoneylockdown halfmeasures wishywashy britaindeservesbetter BorisHasFailedTheNation

Ignoring science and cause a new wave and lockdown in January just to send the 'we saved Christmas' message? Nah, not the right thing.

A town in Leicestershire goes from tier 1 to tier 3 in an instant...government are a bunch of fucking clowns...

just lock us down forever shut the pubs restaurants and that will solve everything good bye to freedom thaanks lockdowners on full pay.

Look at the government's own ONS data, not the headlines. 89% of deaths of those with positive Covid test are over 65. The average age of Covid death (high 80s) is higher than the average life expectancy. Lockdown the old people, let the rest be free.

The right thing to do would be to end lockdowns and tiers and never mention it again.

January is miserable anyway. We might as well enjoy Christmas beforehand. Lockdown in December so we don't have to lockdown in January? Hmm, let me just think about that for a moment.... er, NO! 😂

Still waiting for Boris to put in handcuffs. When that day comes we can all celebrate.

Trying to keep people happy, help businesses to survive. It's a huge problem and there are no easy solutions. If they kept us all locked down that wouldn't be right either. They can't win. But we had years at war (WW1, WW2) - so let's be resilient and do what's necessary.

Nope. F*ck the tiers, it's time to face it. Let people take responsibility for themselves and let businesses open.

Doom, doom and more doom, can you ever publish anything with a positive slant, always focus on negatives!!!

More confusion looms.. with the ad hoc approach of Boris and chumps..

WHO ARE these SCIENTISTS? Are they perhaps the scientists involved in developing tests and vaccines? Just a thought.

If you’re asking the question we already know the answer, evidently it’s a recipe for disaster. If covid was that dangerous why would govt allow this rubbish to happen? Baffling

BBCPolitics People choose between doing what they should do, what they are allowed to do or what they want to do. If the rules are tight and only allow people to do what they should, some will obey them and behave better while some will break them and behave worse.

Stop pushing this bullshit ENDLESS LOCKDOWN vs OUT OF CONTROL VIRUS narrative. We could CONTROL THE VIRUS WITHOUT LOCKDOWN *if* the gov't funded proper local contact tracing & isolation support when numbers are low, rather than corrupt £M's for crony corporation's call centres.

Corrupt:

BBCPolitics Is the government doing the right thing, you ask? Please, anyone, provide an example from the past ten years when the answer to the above question is Yes

Third wave my arse. Only the bedwetters still believe this garbage.

The BBC along with the Labour Party will find fault with everything the Government suggests but will not suggest any workable alternatives

Damned if they do damned if they don’t.

We haven't had a second one yet

Whatever. People should be getting used to this agenda by now. Have you woken up yet. This is never going back to normal until the reset has implemented mass i.d with control of your finances and life, mass vaccinations killing off the weak and sterilising the many.

No but if they didn’t permit it the majority would do so anyway

Viruses Don't Do Waves

Third wave 🙄 we have never got any wave under control in the first place Be it first or second So basically what the government is saying it’s going back to what it was before this so called lockdown 😂

It’s been one long wave, we’ve never got out of the first wave, never mind 3rd. All BBC spin!

After the last resurgence of the epedemic following relaxation of control rules, it is PATENTLY OBVIOUS that giving way to the shallow public over Christmas WILL result in more contagion, more deaths. It seems to be what the idiot population wants!

Have they ever done the right thing with regards to lockdowns from the very beginning. Always behind the curve. Still think the public will all do as asked re self isolation, testing, social distancing etc. They don’t as even their own colleagues prove

It's not coming to an end, it's just being rebranded.

Your the ones clamouring for it along with Labour of course. If it does go pear shaped you’ll be the first to savage the Administration.

Tiers or Tears for some ;( lockdown tiersystem

It will all end in tiers!

Sounds like a completely idiotic idea

How should we know?🤷‍♀️ Just usual bbc anti gov negativity

Typical BBC post. For months they have had stories about people who have not been able to see family and friends in the pandemic due to the restrictions. Now this is happening they are running stories about why it shouldn't happen.

BBCPolitics The BBC picking which side of the argument they want to promote, not the other one.... 'But there is an argument that what the government is doing will actually help curb infections in both the short and long-term.'

Scamdemic!

Last updated on Wednesday 25 November 2020 at 5:37pm Deaths within 28 days of positive test. Daily 696 Patients in hospital 16,570 Patients on ventilation 1,489 Cases. People tested positive Daily 18,213 coronavirus COVID19 UK

BBCPolitics a third wave dont be daft its still the first wave, and our dithering prime minister is to blame for keep making the same mistake total country clampdown on mixing and travel end of story, libertarianism is a dreadful illness worse than COVID

Is this a rhetorical question ?

No you don’t say. Well we the public the sensible ones know there will be a spike beginning of January. Why oh why BorisJohnson you should have shut us down not open it up. Sod the stupid people that disregard the rules. Just do lockdown.

I keep paying my TV licence. Am I doing the right thing? Most of the shite posted by BBC News I'm probably not 🙄

They will identify the next wave regardless. I read that viruses don’t do waves.

It isn't about getting it right, it is about taking responsibility when they get it wrong. Traditionally politicians would step down if they got it drastically wrong, got caught cheating the system or acting improper. Now they just make excuses and hope the public soon forget.

NO IT BLOODY ISNT DO THE MATHS.

This was not a lockdown ,schools colleges ,universities all in ,most people at work ,roads packed shops packed

Vírus don’t take holidays... why Christmas it’s so important? Just keep the lockdown. We are leaving on unprecedented times and people and government needs to understand that. They have not leaning nothing. I had to cancel this year twice holidays and see my family in Portugal.

It's only because boris wants a big get together at Christmas and the queen probably wants it aswell

I distinctly recall Boris saying we could have it beat in 3 weeks. That was months ago. ...it has been a really long 3 weeks.

Recipe for disaster. There’ll be a third wave. Some people just won’t adhere to the rules.

No they aren't. The default answer is to stay at home as you have been doing, we are adults, look at the risks, you know what is it realy worth it, I could have it and not know and pass it on to someone in my family on Xmas day and they get it. I'm not risking it. No chance.

The simple answer is no, we should be in a tougher lockdown and not have Christmas, plenty other things got re arranged or cancelled what makes christmas anything special, many more lives will be lost, peoples health is obviously not important anymore!!!

The government isn't doing the right thing, not because I think we should end up perpetually locking down, but their approach is inconsistent, nonsensical and corrupt. It goes against science and economics.

No it will be all tears and no Christmas....

No

BBCPolitics It probably will - but what’s the alternative? Society can’t live in perpetual lockdown, future austerity from this year lockdowns will ‘probably’ shorten the lives of 100,000s of the poorest in society! And those that want to stay locked down..... can do!

It's easy to understand that a cowardly, populist PM and his cabinet of mediocre brexit loyalists would make a balls up of the response to covid but enabling a tax payer cash bonanza for friends and family with cosy government contracts at the same time is really taking the piss.

Scientists predicted Bryson deChambeau would win the Masters this year. But he didn’t.

Tier 3 is still Lockdown!!!! 😠

Lockdown has not ended, it never did. Until you can go anywhere and anywhere you want it still exists

Its been a year now of lockdowns. I’ve lost interest completely. Id prefer to catch it than go through this any more. The vaccine is now ready so go get vaccinated and let’s just go back to normal.

No, that much is clear, they haven't done the right thing since coming to power.

BBCPolitics There was no second wave, let alone a third.

Tiers are an unfair way of penalising the poor, also unfair to businesses and employees struggling to make a living in those areas

There hasn’t even been a second wave for heavens sake 🙄

We all need to stop this madness and just get on with life!!

Who wants a Christmas with family in the midst of a deadly pandemic.?very dangerous risk even with precautions.all sat round the Christmas table with hospital masks on for instance.stay safe everyone.✌

No they are not! I’ve given up my family Christmas 🎄 because it’s the right thing to do x

- no scientists aren’t - that is those who have half a brain, are apolitical and care for society -

Of course it will - how could it not? They aren’t even closing schools when schools are having to close themselves due to absences. They may as well lift all restrictions indefinitely.

No it’s not. We need strict lockdowns over Christmas

There are lots of scientists ... lets have a balanced view PLEASE.. and its your job BBC to present this.

Common sense tells you that the virus is not going on holiday for a few days. To date they have not controlled the virus. Lockdown to late, release to early. This is not lockdown. The only way is either shut the country and everything 4 four weeks. 😞

Essentially the BBC's MO so sad.....how are the mighty fallen

There are no waves. Its a virus. It won't go away just because we lock ourselves in the house for 3 weeks. Idiots!!

There is no 'waves'. The 'pandemic' was over by May.

I’m not backing the government but WHATEVER they did, scientists would complain. Anyway, people will travel regardless. It doesn’t matter what rules are in place.

Third wave? When’s the first one then?

Well obviously lock down doesn't work because cases went up and death. Oh I forgot they manipulating the figures.

BBC news, a recipe for scaremongering and lack of forensic journalism .. most recent figures suggest people have had enough of you..

I wish people would stop with the 'popular' view, that all the lockdowns and restrictions, are the fault of the public. Show some backbone, start questioning motives, for your futures sake. Stop taking the easy option, for a few easy likes on social media.

Good balanced article and thanks again for presenting sides of the argument Nick.

‘Could’

Bedwetters of world unite. Stay home. Cancel christmas. Clean you bed sheets and wear a face nappy on Christmas Day 👍👍👍👍👍👍

Since there has been no disastrous 'second wave', we should have the confidence to embark on a return to normality.

Have your own back & look after yourself & your loved ones. Government are not going to, they don't give a damn about the individual. If you lose everything because you 'did the right thing' they'll not come & save you when your home is repossessed and all your savings are gone.

/ Speaking for oneself! I consider lifting Coronavirus Lockdown before the Vaccine is being delivered to Doctors Surgeries is foolhardy so leading to an increase in infections & Deaths + so much more misery !!!

After Christmas will be - We have discovered something new, the virus evaluated into Super-turbo-pandemic. We need to stop it. Here's lockdown number 3, just stay safe don't waste a lot of toilet paper and quit your job immediately.

This happens in all countries when they relax the restrictions. People are simply just not getting it into their heads that Covid is STILL out there and is becoming smarter by the day. Governments are still not getting this either. This is a new reality check all of humanity!

You are being enslaved.

Does anyone even care anymore

Bbc all ways doom and gloom sooooo bored of it 😴😴😴😩😩

I live the way they say scientists, when it's just sage, and the only reason they are praying and hoping that this 'pandemic' continues, is because they are making a truck load of money.

there is no need for a big celebration, just at home

We need another hard lockdown if people are going to be stupid & reckless over Christmas. It will be an outbreak on an even bigger scale than when the Universities started in September. It's terrifying.

Just awful that people are allowed to mix at Christmas as that’s purely done for the popular vote. If most of the Country go into Tier 2 or Tier 3 next week with no indoor mixing allowed then this should also apply at Christmas. Ridiculous

Straightforward answer. No. The amount people ignoring rules is crazy.

Its very serious this ya know, its so serious you can only mix with 3999 other people at a football match.

And once we have a supposed 3rd wave the scientists and lockdown lovers will start promoting a 4th wave.

The lockdown isn't coming to an end, it's still lockdown in all but name. You'd think BBC could figure this out.

Govt hasn't done the right thing since this whole thing started. Govt's mishandling of the situation is the problem, not Covid.

Tiers of a clown....

Deliberate fear mongering from that willing collaborator that is the BBC as more lies and falsehoods are foist upon us.

Extend the school Xmas holidays by two weeks and have a FULL lockdown. Once we've all received the vaccine, add two Bank Holidays to a weekend in the Spring/Summer for everyone to do proper Xmas/EID/Diwali/Hannukkah etc UKLabour Conservatives ITNNewsUK Channel4News

No! I fear the government are not learning from lessons of the recent past. Covid-19 is not going to take a break over Christmas. Allowing mixing, even for 5 days, will heap more misery in January.

UK mortality rates per 1000 of population in the light of the fake pandemic

Thousands gathering to vandalise statues and piss on memorials under the BLM banner caused no spikes according to research

Oh go away BBC. The same article re-written when we came out of the first lock down... Scaremongering, youre a disgrace.

90% of news about covid and trump

The only question is 'does the virus know what Christmas is?' Will the virus press pause for a couple of weeks? Will it stop infecting and killing people because the Romans decided we needed a good party in the middle of the winter?

No.

How many waves are we going to have?

Yes

The government never dose the right thing

Coming out of lockdown, straight into tier 3

SOME scientists are warning. Corrected that for you.

No, many people are fed up and flouting the rules anyhow. Boris is dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn’t. The police have insufficient resources and the economy is stuffed - we’ve got to get this country moving again.

No. Of course they aren’t. Because they never do. Right around Christmas we’re going to see what thanksgiving (today) has done to America. And it’s going to be too late to stop it happening here.

no it's not, we are going into further lockdowns but with a different name.

we all know politicians need to be popular but what cost ? and let us not forget what Christmas is meant to be about ! 🤞🤞🤞

The ingredients that make this a recipe for disaster is people not respecting distance and masks.

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