Scientists crunching the numbers estimated that, by mid-October, there were between 43,000 and 74,000 people being infected with coronavirus every day in England.
It added that the number of people with Covid needing hospital care is already higher than the winter plan and deaths will "almost certainly" exceed the plan in the next two weeks. The report stated that if cases fall in the "very near future" then the higher than anticipated deaths "might only continue for three to four weeks".
Sage predicted 84000 deaths over this winter but we are in a worse than worst case scenario? Utter scaremongering bullshit from sage and the BBC yet again!
Completely wrong! On 21st September Prof Whitty predicted worst case 50 k positive CASES on 13th October. There were actually 15 k CASES on 13th Oct. (3 x less !). By sleight of hand 50 k ONS calculation has been swapped for positive tests! Stupidity or malice ?
Im tired of this fake news , causing panic and trauma , they have admitted the tests are only 5% accurate yet people still rely on them
Bravo Mr Johnson when, back in March, lockdown was needed you delayed it enough to put the Nation in a disastrous situation. Now you are planning a new lockdown JUST because you DON'T WANT your image damaged across other Countries. It is awful
There has been over 45,000+ deaths from coronavirus, it is getting higher and higher each day and more deaths are going to happen and are happening! You seem to forget that CHILDREN carry the corona virus and can pass it on to elders.
inaccurate tests being deployed faster
Oh LOOK, its the BBC coming in with some doomsday bullshit scaremongering. DefundTheBBC
according to Gov's own figures, the rate of change has been dropping from the last few weeks. how does that factor into the crude headline?
We have average levels of triage for respiratory infections, below average hospital admissions for and deaths from acute respiratory infections. The focus on statistics derived from flawed PCR tests are causing destructive fear and policies.
it's almost as if the government gave everyone money to go out to eat or something
diaryrektman HKrassenstein itsJeffTiedrich still blame on Trump? haha
Perhaps countries should adapt measures that are well known in process control theory. These measures are self adjusting and anticipatory. coronavirus COVID19
Are doctors in the UK paid extra for attributing deaths to Covid? I hear from a high-level source (Donald Trump) that's what happens in the USA.
No it is not
Showing even if this were COVID19 & not other coronavirus masks DONT WORK
daveanthony Oi Boris! Ya bleedin’ NONCE
How about let people live their life normally! If you scared of your life or family stay your home 24/7 and let others live normally and go out... Keep breaking economy and ruining people's lives...
gdog2010_john ugh. Why are they wearing... that thing?
hahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Remember when Neil Ferguson said that even with lockdown we would have 500k deaths back in march. These 'predictions' they use are always wrong. These SAGE members couldnt predict the lottery if somone even gave them the winning numbers.
Lies
No shit! To slow on responding to the incoming information from Italy
I think there should be a better study into how accurate the standard test actually is, and also how many positives actually go on to be symptomatic.....
An experiment, based on previous experience, I suggest people do this. Buy a home test, receive it, DO NOT actually do it but follow the instructions return it and see what your results are. Then we will know what's going on
What docs ware from ?
You ask us to stay protected but you allow shops to sell fake face masks. When challenged the retailers say they are “fashion” masks. Who in their chuffin right mind would want to go out wearing a mask that offers no protection. The Government could put a stop to this quickly
Lies upon lies. False positives from a test never designed to be used like this. Empty hospitals. Positives tests given to people who never took one. The government want only one thing, to crash the economy for the World Economic Forum. Boris is a traitor.
BBCPolitics How many dead grannies will the hard right tolerate in order to keep Tory donors happy? Why does BBC NEWS think the interests of Casinos, Nail Bars and Pubs are more important than human lives?
Fake news with fake stats from a fraudulent organization.
What’s going to we do now. My work already cut in less than a half and now another lockdown, I can’t even imagine this !!!
Johnson (where ever he is?) has once again lost control of the virus in England. Under normal circumstances that would be enough to seem him lose his job. But, God help us he ‘wants to get Brexit done’ . So ...
markrowantree Is that the English flag they have covering there face
Let the virus take its toll, survival of the fittest
what a complete load of bullshit and you know it. Tell the truth for once.😡😡😡😡
But it isn’t.
BBCPolitics Whatever the government does it can’t legislate for morons like those in Nottingham who ignore the rules on social distancing etc and continue to contribute to the spread of the virus.
ElaineM11584892 Fake fear propaganda as usual
Would it be a flu by any chance.? Funny how that disappeared off the face of the earth. Its all bollocks if ya ask me
If people want to believe in a made up God with no proof of existence, then by all means believe it. Just don’t expect everyone else to follow your rules and beliefs. This goes for all cults, I mean religions.
Why? It’s us we created the worst case prediction by being morons and not going with the guidance. Tonight folks will be doing the same with Halloween boosting the figures where pumpkins 🎃 be located
skinmysunshine Yes that may be..but 99.9% of us are still alive..
Good, herd immunity will prevail. 99.7% recovery..... why are we worried.
Lets play a game of guess who can work from home and who's livliehood isnt going to be affected by this bull shit 👇🏼
COVID, an anagram, not Covid. C’mon BBC!
If you are middle class, with minimal debt apart from a mortgage on a comfortable well equipped house, then you will support the lockdown. If you are left leaning & believe in state control then again you support. But you make up 25% of the UK but are having 100% of the influence
Bollocks.
💕💕So sad! Hang in there We are is a huge mess here in America but I feel for you.💕💕
To the irresponsible selfish and uneducated person/ people:-
Test centers are empty and flu us down 98% compared to last year. This is all a huge hoax to bring in The Great Reset. They are not even hiding it.
COD MOBILE NEW GAME MODE IS INSANE! DARE TO MISS;
KrutikaKuppalli That is I am telling. Use my plant medicine until vaccination. Post covid symptoms also gone in one week only. Negatively reported in 4-5 days and all post covid symptoms would be cured in days only.
Trump has given our nations enemies an excellent case study in failed leadership during his pandemic. They will calculate the odds favor them in a global power grab against U.S. interest. Trumps ego is America’s weakness. If re-elected you’ll see he failed more than a COVID test
Mask wearers no doubt.
Shut the schools..
At least there’s hotties on the news pages
i wonder why🙄🙄🙄
That is tosh. These figures come from a test with known flaws that make results meaningless, using figures that the Gov admitted to have been artificially inflated through 'mistakes' about a virus that has never been verified. Your reporting is scandalous, you should be ashamed
No shit sherlock
Because there is a large enough section of the population unwilling or incapable of following the most basic bloody guide lines.
BorisJohnson & pritipatel needs martial law to sort out students who dont stick to rules, send them home teach them online they've risked lives of people in nottingham. The police are not up to the job COVID19 LBC talkRADIO GMB piersmorgan NHS
'Birmingham shisha cafe shut down after second breach of Covid restrictions, with about 150 people found inside.' Absolutely no connection!
We can really trust those figures though right?
Take those masks off you look ridiculous
logansteven Thanks to brexit the Great Britaindead public think 2 metres is 2 feet.
Message to the BBC Panic Fear outfit. ...
Bullshit.
BBCPolitics If the PM decides to go into full lockdown wait for the Labour Party and every Tom, Dick and Harry claim another U turn. Let us look at the rest of Europe, are they really do better than us!! The PM has tried to keep as much of the economy open until he can’t. Credit to you PM
Bore off with your scaremongering news!
Bullshit
Fake news. How come no one is getting pneumonia or flu anymore ?
Johnson governing worse than ‘worst case prediction’
Oh gosh! Not in england? But the English are Excellent at everything; much better than the Welsh and Scottish......🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are taking the fucking piss 💀💀
WHEN WILL YOU STOP LYING? ONLY ONE STUPID BELIEVES IN COVID AND STUPID MAYA THINKS THAT MASK SOLVES SOMETHING !!!
Hmmm.
BBC News buildings should be burnt to the ground. Enemies of the people. Global scam. The superrich are laughing and the politicians who we all knew were liars before are rubbing their hands. Revolution now. Burn the state and the scum media who prop them up.
Of course they are since any flu death is now listed as a 'Covid death'. How much longer will we allow this charade go on for
what a load of bolloks. it’s cus their testing more people with a TEST THAT DOSNT TEST FOR COVID🤦🏻♂️
So are these confirmed (and for that matter reliable) tests?
i think it's safe to say boris failed the nation
Data also shows NE transmission rate coming down. NW hospital admissions slowing. So regional approach is showing encouraging signs. So who has got this right?
There's no hope is there? That stupid idiot man on the news with the mask under his nose who decided it was absolutely fine to got to another county from a tier 3 area for a punt and a pint, whilst joyfully saying 'rules are there to be broken'. 😠
Who fucking cares anymore seriously?
Especially outside the French embassy London
PeacePilgrim1 Cases are utter bullshit, just stop this relentless nonsense propaganda. The BBC should be better than this!!
Covid spreading more that 4 times the worst case scenario in England. That's with some restrictions. And there are still people comparing the UK with Sweden 😂😂 Maybe if Brits had common sense...
Government failing miserably with covid
Can the BBC just fuck OFF!
I’m not surprised after seeing a night out in Nottingham 😱😱😱😱😱😱 no wonder the shit is traveling, selfish people, the Army needs to be brought in
And you can pipe down too. Bad enough the scientists going on and you finding different information to me on the ONS website. Scaremongerers.
Maybe if the selfish party goers adhered to the rules instead of thinking of themselves then we make get somewhere. Thank god this generation doesn’t have to live through a war or hardship.
Bullshit spreads fastest from the BBC
See if Dominic Cummings had just stayed in or got the sack people would give a shit.
Anyone seen the French embassy today? We have on twitter but not on MSM
Total bollocks
BBCPolitics How much has Cummings to do with the speed the virus is attacking people may be people at the top behaved themselves and adhere to the guide lines people at the bottom would do the same good old Cummings in my opinion contributed to some unnecessarily deaths
Oh Shut up bbc ... lalalalalalala fingersinears fraud
The world's divorce is lethal. Self sufficiency is taking its toll. The prosperity of world trade will be missed. 40/60%.
Lies dammed Lies and statistics (and the BBC) more lies
Rubbish cases are dropping in London and North west, mass testing Means more cases
You want to lower the infection rate? Close Primark 👍 Spend 30 mins in store and see for yourself.
PeacePilgrim1 Yawn yawn fear porn!!
Close schools
Fake news
Ah!!! This Friday’s fear porn arrives!
Please correct your announcement, Carlisle moves into Tier 2 from tomorrow 31.10.20, not Tier 3 as stated at 19:05 on the BBC News Channel
oops this will trigger english twitterarti and all the covidiots. Annibyniaeth
No..
Someone PLEASE tell me how the government is shocked at Covid cases rising after reopening everything, sending students back to university and the eat out to help out scheme? How is this unexpected? How?! COVID19 Boris Tier3 nottingham BorisJohnson tories coviduk
You dont protect the sick & vulnerable, by quarantining, locking down the Young & Healthy. Lock-downs haven't saved lives. They spread out the deaths. Lockdowns cripple the economy, created huge unemployment & debt to be paid for by children & grandchildren. Unsustainable!
Nice one, Johnson.
BBCPolitics People move and ignore the rules, so will the virus!
Excellent. Business for undertakers & grave diggers is looking good.
Really, you always across of the gov bbc
Wake up everyone! This is all the fear factor! TV being bombarded with propaganda from Bill Gates and the rest of the galaxies most wanted. This is what is on mainstream TV is advertising in the UK and the rest of the world. God help us!!
Oh shut up! Stop scaremongering
Arent we looking at this news upside down, could this be a good news story? - all these cases - half a million a week and probably more at the height of the pandemic, so maybe 10 million have had it and yet no mass death rate and average age of death - 82 - is higher than average
I still don't know a single person directly who has been confirmed with covid. Just get on and announce a lockdown and stop tickling our balls.
How do a cancel this fear porn like I did my TV license?
BBCPolitics National FireBreak now
PEE OFF BBC. No wonder u have to beg oaps for LICENCE FEE money. Ive heard the ads, damned cringe-worthy to the maximum. How can you do it, you must all be desperate for money. How distasteful, money for fear and torturous propaganda, u want money for that Incredible.
Why should I be locked down because the ignorant couldn't be bothered!
No one cares anymore. Stop the scaremongering, end the bs that obviously doesn’t work and let people have their lives back fgs.
Its not rocket science. National lockdowns work. We need one now before christmas, and another in the new year until we have a vaccine.
😱😱😱
You mean; THE TRUTH about Covid-19 Scam spreading faster than government's worse-case prediction; medical , legal and scientific documents show
mickymaguire73 Listen to me “during the war”
Quite clear that Cummings has opted for herd immunity. Bojo has secured 85000 sympathy cards for Christmas.
The fact that we don’t have bodies on the streets is proof that we need to get life back to normal. BBC are shooting the themselves in the foot with this endless scaremongering.
Yes cheers maybe the mod outside the French embassy are helping the spread. Where are the weak politicians outraged or the police actually doing something BorisJohnson pritipatel Conservatives metpoliceuk
BBCHughPym reetacbbc Why did your 6 o’clock report infer Drakeford pushed gov for UK Xmas rules given he said BorisJohnson already advised him of imminent talks? Are you incapable of honesty? CommonsDCMS OliverDowden julianknight15 ajcdeane afneil BradyTony vickyford
NHAparty Do we stillhave a Prime Minister? What the hell is he doing to get control of this pandemic?
It probably has a lot to do with, 2 politicians breaking the lock down rules. So most people are probably, think the rules don't matter so why bother. Or it's one rule for them another for us.
Can we still EatOutToHelpOut? Asking for the additional 85,000 people that the government's own 'reasonable worst case scenario' predicts will now die. RishiSunak
'Vallance has turned out to be accurate' Excuse me? His scenario was 50,000 CASES per day by Oct 13th, not ONS estimated INFECTIONS (actual was 17,000 cases on Oct 13th)
So only very recently was the predictions being critisised for being over cautious and numbers not being as high as the forecast. The media can put negative spins either way this goes.
It’s not spreading faster than the fear that is being peddled on here.
Money more important than lives once again.
Bollocks
Says who And on what grounds
What about Sweden .... let me guess it starts with an S so not worth looking at !!
night Anyone is surprised or shocked? Leave it to a clown BorisJohnson to handle pandemic, you have circus strategies🤡🤡🤡
The government have never been prepared.
Stay safe Stay strong May the force be With you
Bollocks
According to the ZOE COVID Symptom Study UK Infection Survey figures, the number of daily new COVID-19 cases in the UK are continuing to steadily increase and not surging as other sources have suggested this week.
Scary stuff.
Stop the Bullshit, there is NO SPREAD, the only spread is bullshit and scaremongering by yourselves and the Government. Wake up people! Want to stop the bullshit, then stop taking the tests!!!!
National FireBreak now
In entire world situation is again alarming
Because we have an incompetent government & too many idiots walking the streets who think their right to carry on as normal trumps everyone else’s right to not get sick - idiots who are also too dumb to realise that the sooner we lock down, the sooner we’ll get back to “normal”.
Donald Trump Jr. says Covid deaths are 'almost nothing' on a day reporting 90,000 infected, 1,000 dead The president's son dismissed medical experts as 'truly morons' in an interview on Fox News.
night And no plan for England - and its 'tiered' system now a mish-mash of 'tiers within tiers', even needing extra tiers only a couple of weeks into it so already 'broken'. Looks like a new higher Tier needed to kick that can down the road, or more likely, an England Lockdown.
It’s so hard to know who to believe. The only publicise negative COVID stories and scientist can’t agree on the level of infections. It seems every ‘scientist’ wants their day in the spotlight! Isn’t excess deaths the best measure and I’m not sure it’s that high.
I pray you get what you deserve.
Poppycock.
Let’s face it, no lockdown is working. Just let the country get on with life. Fact is people die with infections. It’s a total farce. This government has to man-up and face it. They won’t cure Covid. Fact!
Always good to be at the forefront of things
DefundTheBBC
Let’s go with the grown ups get on with life and the government leave us to get on with it .
Is this a piss take? Documents from 2 weeks ago to try and justify Valances wild worse case scenario of 50k cases per day by mid October? The actual metrics he referred to then only show 24k a day at the end of October. So where have they plucked these figures from?
If you lump in all the seasonal colds, flu, sniffs, snivels, coughs etc and test them via a method guaranteed to give a positive result for coronavirus like symptoms, hey presto, look at the numbers
You will get positive cases with people who have no symptoms at all and will recover without intervention but these case numbers will drive lockdown decisions. This will never end.
These replies are nuts, we have to do something to stop the spread, it’s only a matter of time before more die
Bunch of clowns 🤡
I've never gotten what's the point of sneezing and blowing yah friggon noses on your national flag . These young queens don't look that nasty but use a few brain cells before masking up will yah ? LoL .
😱🤦♂️
Well I won't be obeying any rules looking at the muslim protest in London today. Rules should be the same for everyone not different if you are on a muslim protest.
No it's not. It's respiratory bug season and elderly have been hospitalised like normal. ICU is no fuller than this time last year.
The BBC trying to regain trust 😂😂😂
Once apon a time I would have taken every word the BBC said as the truth. Now you are no more than a propoganda tool of Labour preaching gloom to all and sundry.
So sky news sporting the R is down, and BBC claiming the virus is worse than the worse case scenario. Which is it?
So masks, social distancing, hand washing, sanitiser, not seeing loved ones and not being able to buy a birthday card in the supermarket doesn’t bloody work then! 🙄 Same in Spain where they’ve been stricter for longer.
Yet, R number is down, cases in some high areas flatlined for days/weeks, some seeing decrease in cases and a slowing of spread, but hey, what have SAGE and Government got wrong so far?
uklockdown AnarchyAndZen & TonyRCox - Surprise, surprise ... ToryBastards
Course it is. Dropping like flies we are 🤣
Sensationalist bullshit
night Corona is spreading fast, but if you fast you will get slim and Corona shall never win!?...what!?..🙈
What a load of nonsense.
So people are supposed to wear masks in shops, enclosed spaces, which is mainly the case. Also to social distance, which from experience most haven't as much since June. So if this spreading so fast how exactly? Are masks making a difference, do shops need to limit numbers again.
night Spread it here.. Spread it there.. Spread it, Spread it everywhere..!? Don't forget, jam on bread is the best spread, marmalade spread on too, spread on honey and peanut butter and the spreading will spread-on!?
BBC thoroughly enjoying the pandemic. Give it a rest FFS.
Whoops , what did they expect . Have they given up on the World beating tracing system ?
keep banging the fear drum
I’ve just heard from a family member, who’s a nurse, that a Consultant who is seconded from the Royal Navy is being sent to the Middle East for 3 months training. If Coronavirus is so rampant why isn’t he staying here to help? It’s all bullshit.
If all the idiots and there are millions of them just obeyed SD rules. But no they had to have their stupid holidays. Visits to bars and pubs etc. Please Let’s have a long lockdown. No pain no gain.
Are you sure, I can’t think 🤔 why!
No it's not. FakeNews
Aye they face masks are making a huge difference 🤣🤣🤣
night Can we have stats in flu infections, hospitalisation and deaths for the last 12 months pls? Seems this flu thing has been eradicated entirely ?!!!!!
It is bad at the moment. But do we need it ramming down our throats everyday.
They probably had 50 versions prepared and 'happened to leak' this version. Don't be so naive people
You've just said r number is slightly lower!
But then we read this which suggests it’s going down slightly 🤷♂️
😂 People actually believe this guff.
Stop trying to creat national chaos BBC. Because of media lots of people are suffering from depression and economic difficulties. Sadly 200 people died yes but that’s less then daily dead rate in the U.K.
Two words for that
Worse than the worse case scenario. So either the scenario was botched or the response was botched. I wonder which. 🤔
no...what a surprise!!! lol - what a scam!
Masks are working a treat then hahahahhaa
Oh no! And yet, still only 77 otherwise healthy people under 60 have died in the last 6 months. But please, keep posting your super fear propaganda.
Anybody else looking at the official stats thinking it’s levelling off to be bombarded with scaremongering tripe saying it’s worse than ever? Never was the apocryphal tale of The Emperor’s New Clothes more fitting!! We’re being played by advisors milking their 15 minutes of fame
Madness, simply put people need to be told to wear a mask, wash your hands tells you all you need to know! Thickets
They have messed it up again with opening pubs & “eat out to spread it” being two of the main obvious mistakes plus a £12bn useless track & trace system. Johnson should be tried for manslaughter. jailjohnson
BBC knows but Boris doesn't 🙊🙉🙈
'Dodgy data spreading in England in line with government's requirements scientists (not the SAGE kind - real ones) show'. See MichaelYeadon3 (a proper immunologist) for details.
Starting to drop in North East and Liverpool actually !
There is no test for Covid19 so how would they know or are the BBC assuming everyone who tests positive using the flawed PCR coronavirus test has C19 when they could just have an old/new strain of any of the weaker CV
😂😂😂😂
With a 0.28% death rate. we are letting people die of other illnesses letting old people live their last months alone and killing our economy for a virus with a 0.28 death rate or 99.72% chance of being totally fine.
Tosh
Bring back the Nandos covid scale!!!
This tiered local approach is a big flop like everything they've done. I support torys over Labour but they've made a right pigs ear over this. The tiers are not strong enough. Close ALL pubs and gyms. No need for them to be open at all.
Stay safe and healthy!!! AlfadoDS wear ur mask and wash ur hands tirelessly ya!
Winter Flu season?
No one gives a toss. Coronaviruses account for 7-14% of the 'colds and flus' mix every single year. Just suddenly testing for certain strains with a highly dubious test does not a pandemic make.
We are not immortal. Everyone get a grip. Read this.
Bill Gates has a point when it comes to stupid people.Virtue signalling threatens the human race and makes it easier for the elitist globalists to do what they wish, which is ultimately to get rid of us,of course they don't realise their day is coming.RoyalFamily COVIDIOTS
Bullshit
I have just read a news story which had 3 different sources quoting 3 different R rates for the country , 3 different figures for the number of people catching the virus last week and 2 versions of whether hospitals were overrun or not . What are we meant to believe
And yet HMG still think the population have got some common sense.... Work in a shop for a day viewing the customers and you realise how ignorant and entitled most people are
mariebudgie1 But they said the R number is coming down 😂😂😂 full of shit
And what is the death rate? Over 99% in most age groups recover. But I guess we should all lock ourselves up forever.
I think the media should have an obligation not to make this worse. It might be halloween tomorrow, but this relentless terror and misery is unnecessary
🤣 documents from where? No proof, everyone is filming the empty test centres up and down the uk, report on that^^
CoronavirusPandemic Remember Hands, Nose, Face and Space! By 'steaming' from boiling water & breathing vapour (for 5 minutes twice daily), we can keep our air-ways open AND breathe normally. Also, the throat will not get affected. Please TRY IT. Let us keep number of cases down.
So millions of us have had it, yet the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed and excess deaths are minimal. Great, can we open up the country now?
Bollocks
Yes and media ridiculed Sir Patrick Vallance few weeks ago for showing a scenario if we did nothing.
Not here it isn’t. Soon be out of Tier 3 🍻
No mention to the radical islam terrorism.
FFS give it a rest! More scaremongering 🤦🏼♀️
BBC doing its utmost to spread fear and keep the scamdemic alive. DefundtheBBC and stop the spread of Covid19.
If this is the case why aren't the hospital's over flowing? 7/8 months on and I only know 1 person who has the virus and they tested positive on Monday. Up until then ZERO & friends of friends have the same stats are mine so who is catching it?
More scaremongering from the woke BBC. The rate is going down
poltheoryother Turns out the vilified lefty was right on this too.
Started to rise once schools were opened - then got to this crisis point once uni’s and colleges opened again ....... so what do we do about that? 🤷🏻♀️
BBC spreading bullshit propaganda faster than the public's 'worst-case prediction'
MattHancock Somebody stop me!
Masks working then Herd immunity quicker
The more people you test with the current PCR test the more cases you will find as the longer the virus has been around the more will have had it which will show up in the test of 40+ cycles
Don’t you get it no body cares anymore R rate this R rate that You roll the dice and get on with it
night It’s not though is it
We all going to die,,,,, run for your life!
Doesn't sound particularly good.
Mask it or casket. The choice is yours.
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