GMB cancels its OWN cancel culture debate after comedian Leo Kearse said women in burkas 'look like letterboxes' - before he later brands Alex Beresford a 'weather girl' in Twitter spat

  • Good Morning Britain debate on cancel culture descended into angry shouting between two of their guests
  • Comedian Leo Kearse and Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu rowed over if people can be forgiven for comments
  • Boris Johnson's 2018 burka 'letterbox' article saw the debate erupt into a row with Kearse saying it was a joke
  • Mr Kearse defended it as 'visual gag' but was told that it was 'utterly reprehensible' by Dr Mos-Shogbamimu
  • He continued off air by calling GMB forecaster Alex Beresford 'the weathergirl' before the presenter hit back

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Good Morning Britain shut down its own debate on cancel culture today after a guest defended Boris Johnson for saying women in burkas looked like letterboxes – before branding its male meteorologist 'the weathergirl'.

Comedian Leo Kearse said the PM's comment in 2018 was deployed as a 'visual gag' and was 'not a hateful thing' to say as he appeared on the show.

Instead he blasted 'people doing the cancelling' who are 'destroying people's lives' and compared it to a 'public execution' over 'offhand jokes'.

But his claims were leapt on by Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu who blasted him for 'utterly reprehensible' opinions and said he was 'part of the problem'.

Self-confessed 'uncloseted right-wing' comic Kearse hit back pointing out that white men with rosy cheeks get called gammon and asked her why that was not considered racist.

The debate erupted into furious shouting before presenters Kate Garraway and Ben Shephard pulled the plug on the chat.

The guests' microphones appeared to be toned down as the cameras cut away from them and the programme moved to a pre-scheduled advertising break.

The argument broke out of a newspaper piece written by Mr Johnson in 2018, where he said burkas made women look like 'bank robbers' or 'letterboxes'.

Comedian Mr Kearse said he thought the comment was just a visual joke and inoffensive
Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu hit back at Mr Kearse over his suggestion comment was just a gag

Comedian Mr Kearse said he thought the comment was just a visual joke and inoffensive 

The remark was made by Prime Minister Boris Johnson in a piece written in 2018 for a paper

The remark was made by Prime Minister Boris Johnson in a piece written in 2018 for a paper

The angry rowing on the programme ended abruptly when Kate said they had to go to ads

The angry rowing on the programme ended abruptly when Kate said they had to go to ads

GMB debate on cancel culture turns toxic: What did comedian Leo Kearse and Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu say?

Presenters Garraway and Shephard had sparked the cancel culture debate off the back of comments by Davina McCall, who this week said it is 'weird' to haul someone over hot coals due something they said a decade ago. Garraway said: 'Davina McCall has hit out at cancel culture, saying it's unforgiving to punish celebrities for view they have held in the past and gone on to apologies for.'

Shepherd said: 'She was speaking with Rylan on his Reunion podcast. But does saying sorry mean all is forgiven?' Speaking to Kearse, he said: 'The world of comedy is a tricky one isn't it? Lots of comedians say these days they're very nervous about making the jokes that in the past they would have comfortable saying because they're worried about being cancelled. Have you ever experiences that?'

The comedian replied: 'Yes of course, I've experienced cancel culture, I've had shows cancelled I was pulled from the Australian Fringe and I think it's terrible. A lot of the times it's misunderstanding on the part of the people doing the cancelling and also people getting cancelled for tweets from 12 years ago.

'People change, people move on, but also society changes. The things that are acceptable to say in society changes. You can see that with people like JK Rowling. 10 years ago she was the darling of the woke left and now she's this pariah. So I think people need to understand... what are people saying now that's going to be unacceptable in 12 years time from now?'

Shepherd asked him if he thought people like him should go back over their comments in the past and apologise for them. He said: 'No I think anybody digging up tweets from 12 years ago has an agenda to harm someone, to cancel them.

'Nobodies looking at tweets from 12 years ago unless they're digging through like some sort of offence archaeologist to find something they can use to damage that person. I think it's having a really damaging effect on entertainment and discourse in society so people are really watching what they say and the paranoia is leading to self censorship in comedy and in the arts and everyday life.'

Garraway then tried to introduce Dr Mos-Shogbamimu but mispronounced her name a number of times before settling for her first name. But the guest said 'I'm not going to let you get away with it' and made her try again until she got it right and clapped her.

Garraway tried to defend herself, saying 'I also stumble like that over Smith, so it's nothing to do with anything else I just struggle to get my words out most morning'.

She asked for Dr Mos-Shogbamimu's views on the subject, who said: 'Expressions of hate are not a product of any given time. They are past, present, future, and continued manifestations of hate.' She went on: 'Good people are capable of doing bad things and bad people are capable of doing good things. That is called being human.

'Forgiveness is good, but it does not absolve you of consequences. Consequences are a direct result of your actions and let me tell you who suffer the real consequences. It's the person who was targeted by that remark or by that action, so let's just take you through, why is it so difficult for people to accept that in life consequences are actually a fact of life, it's not cancellation.

'[They] existed long before the anti-woke mob decided to mischaracterise it as cancel culture to maintain the status quo of racial injustice. When Boris Johnson, just a few years ago, referred to Muslim women in their burkas as letterboxes and even compared them to armed robbers, Islamophobia went up by 375 per cent the week after.

'So whether it was said 10 years ago, 20 years ago, it was hate. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now. Do I believe people can change? Heck yes, of course they can but listen if an apology was all that was required we would not have prison.' She went on to slam the PM for his premiership and called him a 'liar'. The guests discussed how they felt things can be improved in the future without rowing, but quickly the debate turned toxic.

Kearse said: 'Boris Johnson said he thought that women in burkas look like letterboxes. That's not an expression of hate it's just a visual gag because they look a bit like letterboxes, it's not a hateful thing. The only hateful thing I can see is people doing the cancelling, destroying people's lives. Like a public execution. Destroying people's lives based on offhand jokes. I think cancel culture is poisonous and it's changing our culture.'

Dr Shola, who has her PhD in law, tried to interrupt him throughout his comments, claiming his comments were 'unacceptable'. She said: 'Your words are utterly reprehensible that you have that audacity to reinforce the ugly words said by Boris Johnson.

'Acting like the lives of those Muslim women are less important than a privileged man. They were abused on the street, they were attacked, their ordinary lives were negatively impacted.' She added: 'And you sit there with the audacity to think it's OK to justify it and that is why you are part of the problem.'

Kearse hit back: 'Why is Boris Johnson's comment racist and calling someone a gammon isn't? I don't believe that Britain is the cesspool of racism and hatred that you paint it as.' The pair continued to talk over each other before Shepherd pulled the plug and said we are out of time'. Their voices slowly died away before the channel cut to an ad break. 

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Presenters Garraway and Shephard had sparked the cancel culture debate off the back of comments by Davina McCall, who this week said it is 'weird' to haul someone over hot coals due something they said a decade ago.

Garraway said: 'Davina McCall has hit out at cancel culture, saying it's unforgiving to punish celebrities for view they have held in the past and gone on to apologies for.'

Shepherd said: 'She was speaking with Rylan on his Reunion podcast. But does saying sorry mean all is forgiven?' Speaking to Kearse, he said: 'The world of comedy is a tricky one isn't it?

'Lots of comedians say these days they're very nervous about making the jokes that in the past they would have comfortable saying because they're worried about being cancelled. Have you ever experiences that?'

The comedian replied: 'Yes of course, I've experienced cancel culture, I've had shows cancelled I was pulled from the Australian Fringe and I think it's terrible.

'A lot of the times it's misunderstanding on the part of the people doing the cancelling and also people getting cancelled for tweets from 12 years ago.

'People change, people move on, but also society changes. The things that are acceptable to say in society changes. You can see that with people like JK Rowling.

'10 years ago she was the darling of the woke left and now she's this pariah. So I think people need to understand... what are people saying now that's going to be unacceptable in 12 years time from now?'

Shepherd asked him if he thought people like him should go back over their comments in the past and apologise for them.

He said: 'No I think anybody digging up tweets from 12 years ago has an agenda to harm someone, to cancel them.

'Nobodies looking at tweets from 12 years ago unless they're digging through like some sort of offence archaeologist to find something they can use to damage that person.

'I think it's having a really damaging effect on entertainment and discourse in society so people are really watching what they say and the paranoia is leading to self censorship in comedy and in the arts and everyday life.'

Garraway then tried to introduce Dr Mos-Shogbamimu but mispronounced her name a number of times before settling for her first name.

But the guest said 'I'm not going to let you get away with it' and made her try again until she got it right and clapped her.

Garraway tried to defend herself, saying 'I also stumble like that over Smith, so it's nothing to do with anything else I just struggle to get my words out most morning'.

She asked for Dr Mos-Shogbamimu's views on the subject, who said: 'Expressions of hate are not a product of any given time. They are past, present, future, and continued manifestations of hate.'

She went on: 'Good people are capable of doing bad things and bad people are capable of doing good things. That is called being human.

'Forgiveness is good, but it does not absolve you of consequences. Consequences are a direct result of your actions and let me tell you who suffer the real consequences.

'It's the person who was targeted by that remark or by that action, so let's just take you through, why is it so difficult for people to accept that in life consequences are actually a fact of life, it's not cancellation.

'[They] existed long before the anti-woke mob decided to mischaracterise it as cancel culture to maintain the status quo of racial injustice.

'When Boris Johnson, just a few years ago, referred to Muslim women in their burkas as letterboxes and even compared them to armed robbers, Islamophobia went up by 375 per cent the week after.

'So whether it was said 10 years ago, 20 years ago, it was hate. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now. Do I believe people can change?

'Heck yes, of course they can but listen if an apology was all that was required we would not have prison.' She went on to slam the PM for his premiership and called him a 'liar'.

The guests discussed how they felt things can be improved in the future without rowing, but quickly the debate turned toxic.

Kearse said: 'Boris Johnson said he thought that women in burkas look like letterboxes. That's not an expression of hate it's just a visual gag because they look a bit like letterboxes, it's not a hateful thing.

'The only hateful thing I can see is people doing the cancelling, destroying people's lives. Like a public execution. Destroying people's lives based on offhand jokes. I think cancel culture is poisonous and it's changing our culture.'

Dr Shola, who has her PhD in law, tried to interrupt him throughout his comments, claiming his comments were 'unacceptable'.

She said: 'Your words are utterly reprehensible that you have that audacity to reinforce the ugly words said by Boris Johnson.

'Acting like the lives of those Muslim women are less important than a privileged man. They were abused on the street, they were attacked, their ordinary lives were negatively impacted.'

She added: 'And you sit there with the audacity to think it's OK to justify it and that is why you are part of the problem.' 

Women wearing a burqa wait as they line up to take a blood sample for a COVID-19 coronavirus test earlier this year

Women wearing a burqa wait as they line up to take a blood sample for a COVID-19 coronavirus test earlier this year

GMB weather forecaster Alex Beresford was also offended by the guest's remarks today

GMB weather forecaster Alex Beresford was also offended by the guest's remarks today

Mr Kearse and Alex Beresford then had their own spat on Twitter over the debate and remark

Mr Kearse and Alex Beresford then had their own spat on Twitter over the debate and remark

Self-confessed 'uncloseted right-wing' comic at the centre of GMB cancel culture storm

Comedian Leo Kearse is no stranger to cancel culture and has been hit by the no-platforming phenomenon before.

In 2018 his joke ‘I had a job drilling holes for water – it was well boring' was voted in the best top ten at the prestigious Edinburgh Fringe Festival.

But by 2019 he ran into trouble attempting to take his show Right Wing Comedian to the Perth Fringe in Australia.

He was supposed to be scheduled at the Court, an LGBTQ+ venue, but was cancelled after complaints.

It came after a clip of his routine went viral, in which he said: ‘Apparently, I’ve got a lot of male privilege, but I reckon it’s hard being a man. That’s why so many of us are transitioning. And you’ve got to remember, it’s a lot harder for a man to transition than it is for a woman.

'If a woman wants to transition to being a man, she just takes hormones, grows a beard, and everybody goes, “Look, that man’s got t**s”. If I want to transition, I’ve got to take hormones. I’ve got to have surgery. I’ve got to get a new wardrobe. I’ve got to find high heels that are size 15. I’ve got to remove all my body hair. I’ve got to learn to walk in these heels. I’ve got to learn to talk in a high-pitched voice. And at the end of all that effort and expense, people just point at me and go, “Look, that man’s got t**s”.'

Kearse defended himself and said he had written the material with a transgender woman he had been dating.

Kearse explained: 'I totally recommend dating transgender women. 

'I met the beautiful Natalia (not her real name) a few years ago, and we hit it off immediately.'

He has also dabbled in politics and stood for Laurence Fox's Reclaim Party at the Holyrood election against then Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf in his Pollok constituency last year. 

In July he said: I’m no stranger to cancel culture. I’ve had my shows disrupted by left-wing protesters (including fat activists), promoters blacklist me, reviewers mark me down for my ‘loathsome’ views, and social-media storms are directed at me.'

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Kearse hit back: 'Why is Boris Johnson's comment racist and calling someone a gammon isn't? I don't believe that Britain is the cesspool of racism and hatred that you paint it as.'

The pair continued to talk over each other before Shepherd pulled the plug and said we are out of time'. Their voices slowly died away before the channel cut to an ad break. 

Later GMB presenter and weatherman Alex Beresford entered the fray on Twitter. He wrote: 'Did @LeoKearse actually try and justify likening Muslim women in Burka's to letterboxes on @GMB? Tell me I heard wrong?'

Kearse hit back: 'Damn, I've upset the weather girl. Boris's letterbox comment is EXACTLY what I'm talking about - clearly a joke and not hateful. The only hate I see is from the woke mobs hounding people from their livelihoods.'

Reaction to the debate and the points raised were mixed with some coming down on either sides of the argument. One Twitter user wrote: 'Comedian Leo Kearse (who?) using BoJo's letterbox jibe to attack cancel culture.

'Indeed he repeated it and noted that women in burkas 'do look a bit like letterboxes'. I would say his career is over but I'm not sure if he had one.'

But another seemed to feel he had been unfairly treated, opining: 'Why is it when Dr Shola is interviewed she always hijacks the debate and doesn't let anybody get a word in?

'When they do reply she just talks over them and nobody stops her?

 In 2019 on ITV's This Morning Mr Johnson was pressed on his letterbox remarks.

He said: 'I've already said sorry for any offence I have caused and I'll say it again, but let me be very clear that I don't set out to cause offence in what I've written.'

Today's debate was supposed to be hinged on McCall's comments earlier this week about the effects of cancel culture. The presenter said it is 'weird' to haul someone over hot coals due something they said a decade ago.

The 54-year-old said anyone in the spotlight is 'terrified' of being cancelled but believes the problem is due to a lack of forgiveness from the public.

Davina, who appeared on Rylan Clark's podcast Ry-Union, was asked about cancel culture and society's lack of forgiveness by the host.

The former Big Brother host, said: 'It's difficult in a different way. Everybody has an opinion. With cancel culture, and this is the new thing that I think celebrities or actors or anybody in the public eye is the most terrified of is this culture of, you say something and you get cancelled.

'I think that's such an interesting thing. I go deep when I think about things and I was thinking, why is cancelling such a tough thing?

Opinion: Davina McCall has weighed in on cancel culture and claimed it is 'weird' to haul someone over hot coals over something they said a decade ago

Opinion: Davina McCall has weighed in on cancel culture and claimed it is 'weird' to haul someone over hot coals over something they said a decade ago

Claims: The TV presenter, 54, said that anyone in the spotlight is 'terrified' of being cancelled but believes that it is due to a lack of forgiveness from the public

Claims: The TV presenter, 54, said that anyone in the spotlight is 'terrified' of being cancelled but believes that it is due to a lack of forgiveness from the public

The 'letterbox' column that has dogged the Prime Minister for years 

Prime Minister Boris Johnson found himself embroiled in a racism row in 2018 following a newspaper column.

He wrote in the article - which appeared in the Telegraph - that Muslim women wearing burkas 'look like letter boxes'.

In the column he revealed he was against a ban stopping people wearing face-covering veils in public, as was happening then in France.

But he added that his own opinion was that it was 'ridiculous' that anyone chose to wear them anyway.

It saw him accused of Islamophobia and of 'pandering to the far right' by the Muslim Council of Britain.

The remarks have dogged him ever since and are frequently used to attack him.

In 2019 on ITV's This Morning Mr Johnson attempted to put the scandal to bed when asked by the hosts whether he regretted making them. 

He told them: 'I've already said sorry for any offence I have caused and I'll say it again, but let me be very clear that I don't set out to cause offence in what I've written.'

 

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Answering her own question, Davina said: 'I think it's about the lack of forgiveness that anybody is allowed to have for making a mistake.'

The star admitted she thinks it's 'weird' to vilify someone for something they wrote or said many years ago, as they may have changed their views since then.

She said: 'If somebody says something and I think, that's a celebrity that I have known for many years, one of the things that I think is really weird is hauling somebody over the coals for a tweet they made in 2011.'

She continued: 'In 12 years, I've changed so much. When a journalist says to me they interviewed me eight years ago and I said this, I say 'I've changed my mind'. You've got to be allowed to change your mind.'

'Sometimes people could have been racist or homophobic 10 years ago, 12 years ago and they might have met somebody along the way who's made them change the light. 

'And they could feel so ashamed of the way that they used to feel. They get hauled over the coals and they apologise and that apology is still not enough.'

Rylan said that the 'block button' in life is not just a digital thing, and asked Davina 'where does it stop?'.  

Davina replied: 'The only way I have learned in life is by forming opinions about how I feel about things. If I listened to somebody I absolutely 100% disagree with, I can formulate an opinion about that... 

'That's why programmes like Question Time are interesting because you've got all sides of the political spectrum. Sometimes there's somebody on there that drives you mad, but that's a good thing. 

'We must not stop the voices that annoy us or aggravate us or say something different by shaming them... It seems that forgiveness isn't on the agenda anymore...

'This loss of anybody following any kind of religion means you are unable to pardon anybody.

'You just will hold that vendetta against them forever, even if they are hand on heart genuinely really sorry. It seems really sad.'

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