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Debunked: No, the 'survival rate' for Covid-19 is not above 99.9%

This claim has been going around the internet for the past week.

22/05/2020 11:50:00

A viral tweet claiming this is the case in a number of countries is inaccurate for a number of reasons

This claim has been going around the internet for the past week.

One such category of misinformation is the use of incomplete or misleading figures to present an inaccurate picture.A Facebook post by a general election candidate for the Irish Freedom Party falls into that category.The post has been shared about 150 times over the past couple of days and appears to be a screenshot of a tweet that was sent about a week ago.

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The claimThe tweet purports to show the “survival rates of Covid-19″ across seven badly affected countries, claiming the figure is above 99.9% in each case.The original tweet was sent early on 13 May but a screenshot of it was sent about 12 hours later by US actor Kevin Sorbo, who has over 220,000 followers, and it went viral from there.

The screenshot has been used many times since by people seeking to downplay the threat from the Covid-19 pandemic.Source: TwitterThe figures are inaccurate for a number of reasons.Firstly, describing anything as a ‘survival rate’ is problematic because there is no accurate way to measure such a rate right now. Most people who are infected with Covid-19 suffer either mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, so many will not know for sure they were infected.

Antibody tests, which could begin in Ireland next month, may ultimately give a better indication of how many people within a population contracted the virus, but even then there is unlikely to be a definitive figure on how many people have had it.Without knowing that, it is not possible to say for sure how many people died as a percentage of those who were infected. The ‘survival rates’ as listed above are therefore also impossible to gauge.

Case fatality rateThe figure you’re more likely to hear is the case fatality rate. This is the percentage of people who have died and who were also a confirmed case of Covid-19.In Ireland as of Tuesday, the case fatality rate is 6.44%. That is 1,561 deaths from from 24,251 cases.

This matches the global fatality rate, as per Johns Hopkins University, which is at 6.56% after 5 million confirmed cases.Source: ourworldindata.orgOur World in Data has used this same calculation to compare fatality rates in different around the world, even though its researchers from the University of Oxford and the Global Change Data Lab admit that the measure has its limitations.

To take four other countries by way of comparison with Ireland, we can see that the US also has a case fatality rate of 6%, Sweden is at about 12%, the UK is above 14% and France is approaching 20%.Again though, these figures are hugely dependant on the amount of testing in a country. If a county has tested fewer people, it will have fewer confirmed cases and thus the case fatality rate is likely to be higher.

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Does that mean that it is impossible to estimate a ‘survival rate’?One of the things we must remember about Covid-19 is that it’s a new disease that health experts have been monitoring for less than five months. So we are still learning about the virus and the impact it is having on the human population.

So while in the fullness of time we might be in a better position to judge a ‘survival rate’ for the virus, we’re not there yet.Speaking to the US Congress in March, Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said he estimated the overall death at somewhere around 1%. This is inclusive of all those who have had the virus, including those who have not been tested.

#Open journalism No news is bad news Support The Journal Your contributions will help us continue to deliver the stories that are important to youSupport us nowThis would make Covid-19 ten times more lethal than the seasonal flu, which has a fatality rate of about 0.1%. By way of another comparison, the 2009 swine flu pandemic was estimated to be fatal in around 0.02% of cases.

A study by the Imperial College London, based on 70,000 cases in China, has put the death rate for confirmed cases of Covid-19 there at 1.38%. In the same article, researchers estimated the overall death rate, including unconfirmed cases, at 0.66%.Again though, that is just an estimation because we don’t have sufficient knowledge of spread of the virus yet to be sure.

Regardless, these estimations do not match the ‘survival rates’ listed in the original claim, which are all above 99.9%. The country-by-country figures are also clearly not accurate because individual countries have not made such estimations themselves.

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Look at where it’s coming from. Is it someone you know? Do they have a source for the information (e.g. the HSE website) or are they just saying that the information comes from someone they know? A lot of the false news being spread right now is from people claiming that messages from ‘a friend’ of theirs. Have a look yourself – do a quick Google search and see if the information is being reported elsewhere.

Secondly, get the whole story, not just a headline. A lot of these messages have got vague information (“all the doctors at this hospital are panicking”) and don’t mention specific details. This is often – but not always a sign – that it may not be accurate.

Finally, see how you feel after reading it. A lot of these false messages are designed to make people feel panicked. They’re deliberately manipulating your feelings to make you more likely to share it. If you feel panicked after reading something, check it out and see if it really is true.

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Jesus Christ fact check yourselves So if nobody can accurately measure the infection rate right now how can you debunk any statistic? That's not what anyone I read said..... What people were saying was general population have a 99% chance of not dying from CV, ie getting it and subsequently dying from it Basically, saying that will not happen 99% of populations

Indeed the above numbers are wrong. According to Stanford academics it's more like 99.7 Why don't the media remember the B.S. figures they reported to us at the start? The numbers listed are just the % of people in each counry who have NOT died from Covid19. Its accurate in that sense and an important perspective to have for the legions out there who have been terrorised by fear ... by their own governments.

The viral tweet looks far more accurate than your dreadful article, claiming to 'debunk' it. It lists what you know to be ludicrous mortality rates and virtually ignores the millions who have zero or mild symptoms and just have a lemsip, or dont even know they have it. Is there any figures available for overall deaths in 2019 in Ireland Feb till June compared to same period in 2020. This would seem like the obvious thing to ask but I can't find the answer. Maybe a journalist wants to chase it up?

The MSM are the biggest scaremongers of all. Making a fortune from it. The survival rate has not been near this in ireland

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