Canadian governments refusing to release models or projections of COVID-19 spread

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Health Minister Patty Hajdu said there were a lot of variables in the models and how Canadians react to the crisis would bend the curve

OTTAWA – Politicians warned Wednesday Canadians can expect weeks or months of social distancing, but declined to reveal their own models or estimates of just how many people could become infected or die of COVID-19.

Health Minister Patty Hajdu and Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada’s chief public health officer, also declined to release the data. Conservative MP Matt Jeneroux, the party’s health critic, said Canadians should have all the information. The National Post reported exclusively Wednesday on internal documents, showing the federal government believes it could be at least July before measures taken to prevent the spread of the virus could be relaxed.

He said Canadians were in control of the crisis and could reduce the amount of time restrictive measures were in place by staying home, washing their hands and limiting trips outside.

 

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Haggisman57 Patty Munster needs to go. Who the hell would f*ck that?

Good. What the national post doesn't know they cant exploit to their radical political views. Your organization should be quiet for a while so we can try to get past this. Please try to help or stop. Go home and self isolate

And likely a smart move given that the National Post would use the models to promote scare and fear.

RyanTumilty Bc they have no idea lets be real!!!! everything they are saying how long we will be social distancing, when kids will go back to school etc they have no idea!

Refusing. Or don't have all the data yet? Love the sensationalism.

Because there's nothing good to show. Ineffective testing means deadlier curve. No ppe, still taking day for test results, too few vents. They wouldn't want to make the liberal brand look bad.

It’s like watching the Canadian govt equivalent of Nathan Jessup (Jack Nicholson) in A Few Good Men - shouting, “You can’t handle the truth!” And we all know how that turned out!

Her model

COVID19CA Tired of the same talks in the briefing .6ft ,stay home ..Any thing new folks ?

dkreative1 New data from New York City shows that if you're under 60 and have no chronic illness, you're virtually immune to COVID-19.

Shocking incompetence

It’s not like the projections would be perceived as 100% accurate anyways - we done need more lies or unsubstantiated crap from the PM

Why would need to know...? Math is very simple... so don’t panic ....

Bird5Ca And so they should. It spreads fear trying to predict. We have to rely on real time data. Not forecasting like the weather. Otherwise the stupid public will look for something else to buy besides toilet paper

Ask her about spring colours you will get some information!

First stop the highly contagious spread by providing PPE for all essential workers.

All part of their patronizing, father knows best approach to governing. We are closer to 1984 than any want to admit.

JT watching you and your LeftieLiberals, with your obvious mental illnesses, is pitiful ! Your flawed theories on Carbon Taxes, Climate Change, FN’s, etc are all clearly WRONG! All of you are absolutely delusional and unfit for your roles of running Canada. Please resign now!

The government MUST communicate with people! COVID19 COVID_19

China must have told them not to.

It would go against their communist agenda

Almost the same as this government not being able to classify the “middle class” or explaining how a tax is saving the world! Ya in government we trust. RIGHT

As long as facts of current infections are released. cdnpoli Canada Trudeau

Of course they would. Otherwise people would fall into chaos.

Refusing to release information paid for by the citizens.

I'm fine with that what I want to know is if we have enough tests to test everyone. I think that there are enough projections out there already that can give us the opportunity to gauge the efficacy of our government response. Projections are misleading at best...

Just like the climate crisis C02 models!

The numbers are that good? PattyHajdu JustinTrudeau cafreeland

Incompetence

Murders in the US2018 =16,215. At this point, you are twice as likely being murdered in the US than dying of Wuhan virus? Same scenario in Canada? This hysteria just doesn’t add up? Fear thy neighbour🤪

WheeldonRon Then produce them yourself, NationalPost.

Trust the government?

That is stupid or arrogance of the government. Should state at least a time frame . When they think this will be over . Stupid, frustrating and make people panicking and mad 😡. If they do not how this lock going be

What are they hiding?

Hard pill to swallow when and if they do release the data, approx 8.1 million cellular customers went offline and never came back on, Wuhan sent back upwards of 70,000 urns containing human remains and are likely still backlogged. The truth is we're all getting COVID19.

I'm pretty sure we already have a good idea what the models and projections say. It's up to us to change it. StayAtHomeChallenge StayAtHomeAndStaySafe StayHome WashYourHands SocialDistancing Covid_19 covid19Canada

Most transparent government ever! Well done eastern Canada!

Trudeau ran out of crayons

They are lying! Doing nothing! We are doomed! JustinTrudeau you are failing Canadians!

where there is Trudope there is no hope

Well, that's because the idiots in charge are totally clueless, so no surprise here.

Yup. They know. But it represents the failure of their little minds. We are choking and dying on their error. No wonder they are shutting up.

The Trudeau government made this crisis far worse by doing nothing until a week ago when public PRESSURE forced him to say he was closing borders and airports to hotspot travel...the time to act “prudent” was in January and February...!!!!

They have either lied from day one or been grossly incompetent and negligent by telling Canadians it was low risk rather than preparing the country as Taiwan or Singapore did their countries. Our government’s incompetence is killing people and destroying the economy.

Because there's no competent enough in beaurocrat land to do so

Bunch of liars and cover up artists. Kinda like that “basic dictatorship” country that Trudeau claims to admire.

They have no clue! Not long ago, health Minister, said we were a low risk! I don't trust a word, this crowd in Ottawa, has to say. Except we must self isolate, prepare ourselves for the Long haul. Time to think logically. Knowledge is power.

I honestly think that this government treats people like 13 year old. They will not harm us with the truth. They are protecting us against ourselves . I read that book. It's called 1984. It won't end well for us, the people.

Great portrait photo though!!!

we indeed want to know the facts

SundanceConstr1 It tells me that your government is afraid.

SundanceConstr1 They either don't have that info or they are scared to release it.

That's no good 😬

1. Not competent and are politically incapable of manageing a crisis. They can’t seperate their viture posturing from pragmatic control of contagion. 2. They do not have sufficient data to make a decision or are not happy with the data is telling them. Out of their weight class

The Chinese lie about their statistics and Canadian leaders hide our information. Are we becoming a dictatorship too? WokAway

Unless they’re peer reviewed, who cares.

Tell the truth let people know so that they get scared and stay home

Why? no scientific and restore shit yet.

Why do you need to know?

Stress has really taken its toll.

In other words they are clueless.

I’ll take a stab at it. If Canadians remain vigilant with self isolation...see chart. Otherwise we can hit one million within one month without isolation. CoronaVirusCanada MandateMasks

Soooooooooo much transparency. incompetent

More aggressive lockdowns were required weeks ago, we fell behind just like Italy did with half measured lockdowns. Projections are showing now 30-70% of Canadians will get infected. Very comforting.

No Preconditions seems to help...a lot...see the Zeros.COVIDー19 Canada Trudeau StayHomeSaveLives ES_F Instagram COVID

I love it. Post Media looses that angle. Feds 1, Post Media, fakall. 😋

Considering it took long enough to get covidiots to stay home, this is a smart move. It’ll just cause panic and more hoarding and potential violence. Smart rational people don’t need a model to know what to do and potential results

Because there's variables - including how much people will keep to social distance and stay at home protocols or not. Any projections will in hindsight either look like underplaying the situation or fear-mongering.

That's ok, they'd be wrong anyway. We'll use the US projections.

Why? Are they hiding something, this bullshit

They know as much as we do, nothing!

This government is too stupid to know how to construct one

Oh maybe because Canadians are scared and RW media is all to happy to stoke those fears, create division, and undermine the governments efforts.🤷‍♀️

Look at the models from every other country that is a month or two ahead of us. Thats where we are going. That is just the reality. I hope im wrong.

No but she has pretty colored renditions of folk art.

Whether it's the daily soft spoken sermons saying nothing, or not releasing crucial information, they are treating us like children needing to be coddled; it's obvious how much respect they have for us.

With limited data the range would be so broad as to not be useful for anything but causing panic, or give a false sense of security. Best not to guess as so many armchair quarterbacks do. Perhaps the American media should stop gaslighting? Eh, National Post?

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How we are “behaving”? We are not all children. We are people. Who have little info. Who does government think they are to deny us facts Very disappointed

Cause it’s horrific

I haven't seen anyone close to a scientist on Canadian TV yet and everyone I have seen candy Coats and downplays situation and seeing a Canadian doctor saying that the whole population will get virus and not giving the stats of 30-70% like health Canada did which is vague

We’ve been fear mongered to think the Italian scenario would happen here. Here’s an interesting stat. Italy death rate for 2019 was 10.6 persons/1000, Alberta 6.17/1000. These are “no virus” stats. Italy naturally has a death pandemic. 1756 Italians die daily in normal times

Says a lot!

Why go to the government for this information? All kinds of people or organizations will provide it if you ask.

When it starts floating over the Detroit river to Windsor and over Niagara falls.wind goes west to east even the USA stat map theres more cases on the eastern side of country than the western but it can only float 6 feet in 3 hours right?cant say fly cause the wings don't flap

Why release something that is based on assumptions. Facts please.

Fire this woman !!!!

Tell me who in their right mind would accept their role in a national disaster of this magnitude? Even China doesn’t acknowledge failure. Trudeau & Liberals don’t know to acknowledge errors & miscalculations or humility. Karma’s round the corner. It really is! canada cdnpoli

Disgusting. No wonder some do not. take it serious enough.

Quick model..... 10% of what the US model is

Be transparent. Be direct. Give the information you have now. That’s true leadership. You owe this to Canadians, now more than ever. canada transparency covid19

Tell us when the testing will ramp up and when the ventilators and PPE will arrive. No B.S.

And you know Hajdu would've came up with a sick presentation, being a graphic designer and all.

My guess. Its not good.

So much for transparency.

I don't see the benefit to releasing such projections. The US only did it so trump can lay the groundwork for the narrative that when there are inevitably hundreds of thousands of deaths, if not for his 'tremendous' leadership it would've been millions. He's gaslighting everyone.

Because they don't have a fucking clue.

The gov by refusing is now only adding to Canadians anxiety & fear. Most will begin to wonder what they are hiding that they do not want us to know. At this point takes very little to create paranoia.

Gotta love our transparent government!

Maybe because our Federal Minister is a graphic designer and has no idea what to do.

The outcomes change based on how Canadians behave - why not show us that? Might help ensure appropriate behaviours.

They know they fucked up and now they’re trying to hide it from Canadians. They can’t be trusted.

They have none

Why?

It’s because they have no one capable.

I am fine with this. We don’t need fear mongering. We get enough of that from the CPC_HQ and NDP cdnpoli

Sooner or later the people will ask more questions than the MSM will be able to answer!

'Openness, honesty, transparency, science-based decision-making!'

It’s disappointing to watch PattyHajdu unable to present the facts clearly to the pubic, she obviously has too many others breathing down her back or she’s been assigned the wrong position, a common ailment of the JT government

The most secretive deceptive government ever.

Infections are a lot worse than the numbers indicate because of limited testing.This is a result of undetected cases many weeks ago that health officials missed & caused community spread. They are aware of that but are not being transparent & not taking responsibility

Are you looking for fear mongering, or for true known information.

I think people are finally growing tired of the failed Trudeau experiment.

Maybe some credibility could be gained.

They refuse to tell Canadians anything....they are HONEST AND TRANSPARENT LIKE THEYVE ALWAYS BEEN NEVER !!

Because they are incompetent to answer questions on capacity and actions.

Why do you need a movie.. Not hard to get

There is nobody in this government that has the ability to create or project a model of covid-19 spread.

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