Calum Marsh: Defunding the police isn’t radical. It’s so lucid it’s a wonder it took a movement to catch on

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This is not a position easily understood. It requires seriously rethinking our assumptions around law and order, community, justice and civic responsibility

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In the wake of the killing of George Floyd at the hands or knee of Derek Chauvin and the Minneapolis Police Department, demonstrations have been mounted across the United States, and in major cities throughout the world, in protest of police brutality, excessive use of force, and systemic racism and violence toward black people, typified by Floyd’s senseless, tragic death.

An idea once considered radical, defunding the police has suddenly been propelled by this movement into the mainstream. Los Angeles has decided not to move forward with a planned increase in police spending, and in fact will reduce the police budget by upwards of $150 million. In Minneapolis, where the protests began, city council president Lisa Bender says the city intends to “dismantle” the police department and “replace it with a transformative new model of public safety.

Reforms remain paramount — for the suspension of paid administrative leave for cops under investigation, for new and better training that emphasizes deescalation and community relations. But these reforms, Vitale argues, “must be part of a larger vision that questions the basic role of police in society.” The larger truth about law enforcement is that these problems are too fundamental to iron out like wrinkles. They’re part of the fabric of the police.

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If its more about restructure and how/what the police do, why call it defunding?

Relying on mental health professionals to handle crisis situations is ludicist.....we are light years from this being possible. It has to start with young children and their environment and that has failed too.

The title 'defunding' is just a silly one. To say we need to review exactly what services the Police are providing and look at other ways to provide them that best serves the people is what it is. Police have taken on more and more social activities that are not in their core

So if someone is breaking into your home... who then will come... an insurance agent? Yup that works for me. Someone is being raped... going to send in the gynaecologist? You’re lucid.

...because removing carding worked so well. We’ve seen what happens when the criminal element (yes Mr Marsh it does exist) senses an ineffective or weakened police force. Law and order is the foundation of our society. It is the reason immigrants want to come here. Bad idea.

It is a ridiculous and irresponsible . The police is needed and the bad actors need to be weeded out. In part these bad actors are overly protected by the unions. The media pornography which makes every case of police brutality like all police are that way

Time to “defund Canada”. End equalization payments. Stop tax going to the fed govt & all their pet projects. If we are going to do reform right, let’s do it. Hey PierrePoilievre the feds can’t keep track of their cash anyways, let’s relieve them of the stress. Defund the feds.

Good luck with that. Because we all know that criminals are actually good people at heart who have lost their way somehow. I guess better training to address cultural differences and better psychological screening could not be an option?

Have you so soon forgotten what was foreshadowed years ago? There is a plan in all this chaos.

As usual the mainstream media doles out false opposition. Now it's police vs. no police. What needs to be dealt with is the use of excessive force, esp. in relation to the seriousness of the crime. A much bigger issue is access to justice in the courts.

Lets try this. Every community gets a referendum and those who dont want police get what they want and live in danger and fear thereafter...

Wow. No police. The dream of all criminals. Hope those who want this live to regret it.

Get lost

Defunding implies taking money away from police departments. It does not imply retraining or changing response procedures.

So the next time there is a robbery, a shooting, a fatal car crash or a case of serious domestic violence or a missing child we just call Mr Marsh of the National post and he will look after it correct?

This whole article is an homage to Alex Vitale. Barely an original thought, but certainly an opportunistic shout. sellout Defund the police is another way of saying privatize police And you don't want that 'Calum Marsh is an arts and culture reporter' - enough said.

Defunding the police will create a gap that will be filled by expanding government services. Have we not learned that larger government bureaucracy entails more wasteful spending?

I guess this is the National Posts position? Lets defund a myriad of professions and institutions. Doctors-holistic heath teams should be fine, Fire Dept - bucket brigades perfect, Police - volunteer nightwatch, laterns & sticks, Journalists - algorithims, Politicians not missed

The hidden plan to live without any law is at work now, but it will be secret only until the one who is holding it back is out of the way. 2 Thessalonians 2:7

Yeeehaa! Giddy up!

I’m sorry are you seriously endorsing this? As a knee jerk response to BlackLivesMatter the media are suddenly trying to push DefundThePolice ? wakeup

Who came up with this stupid idea.

Give us the 2nd amendment and you can defund the police all you like.

Defund politicians first

That’s good there is no systematic racism in Canada anyway, the USA yes....there are no laws or policies that discriminate in Canada, it’s quite the opposite...we have many programs that help minorities. Also, Canada SAVED 40,000 blacks from slavery in the USA in the 19th century

defund: prevent from continuing to receive funds. It can't be any plainer than this definition.

Sorry Callum, I'm not buying it. The primary function of police is LAW ENFORCEMENT. Without enforcement, laws are useless and impotent. Defunding the police will inevitably lead to chaos and lawlessness. No thanks. That's not my idea of progress.

Dumbest article I’ve ever read. Ever.

Defund our politicians!

When a pizza delivery girl or guy, gets ambushed and killed for his money and pizza, how lucid are the criminals? Under defunding, if a “wellness” check girl goes check on a mentally disturbed person, but she ends up being raped, how lucid is that?

Police are required to asses the situation first before losing “wellness” lives to disturbed criminals

Anarchy2020 I wish you good luck living in a hellhole like that! And Trudeau just prohibited mean looking guns! No, seriously, good luck!

No defunding the police will not happen as it should not.

Then what? Every man woman and child for themselves 🤷‍♂️

If you think “privatizing police” is a good idea ... think again when profit motives are concerned ....

If it is decided to go this route, we should start with a pilot project in a new community. The residents of that community will be Marsh, Vitale and their ilk. We’ll also import some of the bad kids from some of the nastier neighbourhoods. Let’s see how well Marsh & Co do.

So thankful my children got their gun license. Seems it will be needed in the near future.

Can people please stop using the absolute term “defund”? It makes it sound like they want to abolish law enforcement completely, which is obviously absurd. Aren’t there other terms which are better suited, such as reform, or redefine, or modify, etc.?

Lucid?

“Defund the police” is a horrible slogan. People think it means an end to policing. It doesn’t have to be. What it should mean is a different approach to what “policing” means.

Unban Assault Rifles and issue one to every Canadian and let's give it a whirl. If the ongoing 'protests' proved anything that is lawlessness happens fast without police presence. Even socialist countries aren't that stupid to diminish the reach of police in society.

It's dumb. A strong uniform police force is essential to our society. If you don't want law and order move to Mogadishu.

rapists are stoked

defundnationalpost fixed it

Sure. Willing to give it a try but will buy extra guns just in case

Defund the media

First take away guns from the law abiding, then stop policing criminals. This should go well....

Start with Trudeau's personal security police. He absolutely does not need police for his security.

This isn’t going to work with the current psychological programming ppl currently have, this will take a generation maybe two to accomplish.

It’s ridiculously stupid as is every single protestor (rioter) [terorrist]

Ya why have police. ya why do we need them?

This idea sounds like it was drafted by a third grader.

I called the TPSOperations cops twice on a neighbour who chased me in his car in a demented rage and they could barely be arsed to show up, so no biggie

We need to foster a culture in which criminals are encouraged to turn themselves in.

When you call 911 and no one shows up.

wait ... did the national post ... NOT goof up with this one don’t play with my heart like this i’ve been hurt too many times !!

OK this article in the NationalPost has finally pushed me to unfollow Lucid proposal Good God!!

Woah National Post going granola

Are you on drugs?

globeandmail Two words, Candace Owens. Do your job media! Floyd was a dangerous criminal who didnt deserve to die but he doesn't deserve anything resembling martyrdom.

There is no doubt that a police force is necessary, however, the more we fund proper education, provide jobs, and give medical care, the fewer police will be needed. Address the root of the problem, not just the crime that comes out of poverty, lack of education, and desperation.

OK thanks for letting us know, we'll come to YOUR house and help ourselves to whatever we like.

VanmalaS Well we know you are not Canadian. Never will be either. You can't even hold together what is already built. You people are sick!

This is so stupid. The scenarios in the story are not reality. Situations escalate unexpectedly. How many dead or injured social workers, drug counselors, etc. before they demand to be armed or protected to do their new job. No SWAT team during a terrorist attack. It is Fantasy.

While were at it, Defund Doctors- they kill thousands, Defund Lawyers - life less complicated, Defund Canada- less taxes, Defend Politicians - volunteers will suffice, Defund the CBC - CTV and Global good enough, Defund the Armed Forces - war is bad, Defund Defund Police Pundits.

VanmalaS

THAT IS LIBERTARIAN

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We need police!! Are ppl insane? Go one shift and see what is thrown at you-see how all this criminals talk with you!! Than surprised that that they get you by hand? Crazy times Indeed... ansewer a call where gun is involved! Or a knife..

It will be the deciding factor in Nov if Dems go with it!

Anyone that think getting rid of the police has NOT thought through all the negatives to doing this.

One thing that’s always left me LiterallyShaking is when the police fan fear of the disabled. Very problematic. Though we could also try defunding woke Grievance Studies academia.

No it’s definitely radical, delusional in fact.

What’s wrong with: “You break the law, You have to deal with the police, You go to jail”? It’s a concept that’s been around for centuries!

Are you ok National Post? Seriously, I worry for you

What utter rubbish 🙄!

Left wing stupidity at it’s finest.

So who will take place of the police, private armies for those that can afford it or is it anarchy

Mass pshycosis!

Nothing deals with the question is the social worker able to defend themselves when intervention fails. Lots of social workers bring the police for their own safety. Who will respond to violence? City worker? Not. Yes we need a new model but this?

Sounds stupid

Less money means fewer police which means more self help vigilantism. Also lower quality recruits. How does this end well?

Anarchists are salivating.

I bet all of China is dancing with joy! Between Covid and riots, the West is obliterating itself. What a shame!😭😭😭

Credibility lost.

Fucking nonsense.

Hmm, does this mean one calls a social worker if someone breaks into your house and threatens you and your family with a gun?

Is this why Trudeau is funding China’s military?

So just because some fanatic leftists suggest this, it’s now a thing. Isn’t going to happen. Far too many sane people to let it happen.

Lucid? That hardly describes your thinking.

People in North America can't even follow social distance guidelines, and they want to take away the people that enforce law? Let me know this experiment works out.

It’s fn insaine !!!!!! Countries need law and order ! Stop brutalizing the police becasue of a few bad apples I’m so sick of the media running stories against our fine men and women that put their lives on the line I say f u to the media who flames this and is the cause

I think Toronto would be a great place to give this an honest shot. We owe it to them.

Defund police and you create a power vacuum. Then the criminals take over.

You’re kidding right? If I don’t have protection from the law, there’s ZERO reason to pay my taxes. Lawful society is the very basis of western civilizations. If you want anarchy, you’ll have to find me to collect your pound of flesh. You can phuk all the way off.

You first, in your neighborhood, sweetpea.

More trash from the National Post.

Toronto has an out of control gang violence issue right now. Gun violence through the roof. But ya, let’s cut the police budget.

Defunding the police is nonsensical. You need law and order. My friend, his wife’s brother was shot dead when he responded to a domestic abuse call. Sending a social worker isn’t the answer. Maybe it’s an integrated approach - police WITH other services.

In reality this is how it will happen. Erastic person shouting on the street. Social worker calls dispatch. Social worker indicates they will not attend out of fear of injury from said erratic person. Social worker demands police attend with them. Sorry,no units. Defunded!

When you carry a gun every problem is a crime. Sending police to every community problem is like sending a carpenter to every house repair. It won't lead to a well built house or community.

Peak stupidity fanned by propagandists.

Ok. Let’s it’s so easy. Just everyone play nice. No fighting, killing or beating your spouse. No break and enters. It will all magically go away. What bunch of fools these liberals are.

This is an interestingly one sided argument from a guy who has done no real research. Pure pap. How about the next article in this area be by someone who has the slightest clue about anything they write about

“Someone is shouting and behaving erratically in the street: instead of a cop, a social worker trained in dealing with people with mental illness approaches and calms them down, guiding them home or bringing them somewhere for assistance.”—Calum Marsh Sure. What could go wrong?

Why do you say 'defund' when you mean 'reform'? Reform, most people will be on board with. Defund sounds completely fucking insane

A better start wud be to reform Canada’s corrupt and inefficient parliamentary system which is really a system where about every 4 years Canadians get to vote for which dictatorship they prefer. cdnpoli

This author is the arts and culture reporter at NP ,seems to have taken a wide foray into a different direction, can’t believe the nonsense he espoused

Not many ppl involved in homoside investigations... + it's the only crime? You think RL is like CSI🤣 Real research is clearly beyond your reading comprehension. Dumbing this down, u can ask mom for help w/the big words:

PlagueofProgs Defund the media.

What a load.But go for it. In the meantime get rid of firearms laws so we can protect ourselves.cndpoli

This headline perfectly describes what’s wrong in Canada 🇨🇦.

It’s like everyone forgot about all the lives destroyed during the riots, or the people killed... I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here

Defunding the police is stupid. Transforming the police is smart. But this girl can’t speak for BlackLivesMatter

Seriously, folks, the NP editors noticed a new strain of lunacy and recruited this Marsh character to rep it. Hilarious drivel, of course. PoMo poopoo. They set this fool up for us to play middlebrow T-ball with. Thanks!

Let’s start with the city Calum lives in. And let’s not pussy around - shut down his city’s entire police force and hire social workers instead. OMG - I can’t wait to see what happens.

Tell an old deemed to poverty disabled injured worker, what looks radical paying for WSIB presidents & staff better than a judge & jury for a day. Taxpayers want pyramid systems building more casinos reaching for sky God. Should be an honest day pay after a 21st century MRI.

I cant fully blame the line officers for poor behaviour and/or decision making. At risk of generalizing, there seems to be a lack of good leadership in policing, which ultimately boils down to professional development and ID’ing right officers for promotion.

easy to suggest this when we've been unarmed.

Defunding is not no funding. It’s prioritizing so that screening and training improves while removing the ability to buy weapons of war.

lol - first everyone hand in their guns right? 😂

The peak of stupidity.

In that case I may have to agree with neighbours to hire private security for our collective defense. I would hate being ordered around by criminal syndicates when there are no police around and they fill the vacuum. ...

If we defend police, we will have to arm social workers and other support workers.

I’m all for making policing better, but this is just asinine. Child welfare, EMTs, mental health workers, social workers. None of these people will respond to calls where there is potential for violence without police with them. How will you force them to?

Why the fuck is the National Post giving a platform to such destructive, dysfunctional and radical ideas?

Sorry, the article is based on lies that everyone with a brain knows are lies. Two obvious lies: Argument is defunding police is to stop 'the criminalization of homelessness and most sex work' The homeless break laws *with impunity* in tent cities. Sex work is now *decriminalized

The police should take a week off. People's tune would change awfully fast

This is the most ignorant thing I’ve read in a long time and that’s saying something....I believe 911 should block this persons phone number....let’s see how opinions might change in a crisis

The corruption comes from the fiat. As long as certain private companies are allowed to print money endlessly putting entire nations in debt, than corruption is an inevitability. False prophets perpetuating lies until we believe. I think it's time for a new social contract

Sure...then we can go back to “community” policing...where the person with the most influence and power in the community gets to do the policing.

'They target black and other non-white people at rates that are wildly disproportionate' Might have something to do with black and non-white people committing a disproportionate amount of crime. But let's not cloud the issue.

You said in one paragraph, that the police need to reimagining themselves. So you believe that defunding them is a solution? That has cost. Education from the roots is better option with annual psychological test for the each member of the force.

What a bunch of garbage. 🙄

Easily the dumbest thing I’ve read in quite sometime. Promoting lawlessness

Ridiculous. Only if you're willing to accept anarchy.

What’s happened? You have drifted far left quite rapidly. It’s your prerogative but a little alarming how far and fast this happened. Aren’t we saturated we this view? Is this increasing your reader base enough you too feel the need to be sadistic to your country?

Not defunding. Redirect funding. Police need better updated training ... anger management and sensitivity training and PTSD counseling

I’d argue the solution is actually higher salaries in order to attract better talent into the policing profession - just like any other job. Policing is a very risky and stressful job and one I wouldn’t even consider given the current incentives.

The government is trying to convert all of us into Karens!

This is the most asinine and stupid idea ever proposed... Dangerous Criminals are already on a revolving door.

We don't need our own police? 😳 Others are ready & waiting to take over. Our own government has been investing heavily in the UN for years, destabilizing & indoctrinating society to receive their controls. 🤔 WeThePeople know better than to surrender to that agenda. 🍁

Typical liberal progressive thinking - remove a fundamental component of modern civilization and replace it with “what if” concepts so called intellectuals have come up with in their ivory towers - well above the din of the warfare that is humanity.

Let's test it out in any/all liberal and NDP jurisdictions... Everyone is good and wholesome, so it should go well hahaha

There are some good points in this including better training for cops, more focus on mental health, and social work, unfortunately you still need the police, because you will end up with social workers, and government employees being murdered on a regular basis..

“Earlier this week, an indigenous woman named Chantel Moore in Edmundston, New Brunswick, was shot and killed by police“ - you mean the woman who barged out her door suddenly attacking the cop with a knife? Send a social worker instead right?

“developing robust mental health care and creating low-income housing systems,” or creating “real avenues out of poverty and social isolation” in neighborhoods with high concentrations of crime.” - NO ONE IS AGAINST THIS. Let’s do this.

“They’re trained to see themselves as warriors and other people as potential threats to be contained or eliminated“. You lost all objectivity here. You just called all police officers murderers. You’re unbelievable.

“the useless and malign War on Drugs”. Cannabis has already been dealt with by new laws. The rest of the drugs are brutal on society. We charge. The courts send them to treatment in lieu of punishment. Works when the social agencies follow through.

Anyone who supports this retarded idea is a criminal or has criminal inclinations… That is the only reason why anyone would want to eliminate police

Give us the 2nd Ammendment in place of .....

“the school-to-prison pipeline”. What? Ontario has one of the most equitable school systems in the world. You seriously think what you said makes any sense? Most school behaviour is dealt with by the school. Police come when there’s violence and deal appropriately under YCJA.

A newer and more apropos vision for our newer world. It can be achieve if everyone ACTUALLY started to study it in order to understand the philosophy behind it. So much to gain in the long run...

“the “you vs them” attitude instilled by training academies”. What? Police COLLEGES train the opposite of this. You’re talking out of your behind. You clearly have never even been to one or spoken to an instructor. Embarrassing.

“criminalization of ... sex work”. You mean how we have entire bureaus dedicated to rescuing them? How we’ve already decriminalized sex work? How we target the buyers that are violent or engage in trafficking?

Three biggest hurdles . 1) first and foremost police unions, like all unions, they will seek to preserve/increase their membership, 2) people unwilling to challenge themselves to think outside the box and; 3) the debate will get hijacked by extremists.

“criminalization of homelessness”. You mean how we created an entire unit just to keep the homeless safe? That patrol their areas and arrest victimizers who take advantage of homeless and prey on them with violence and drugs?

“militarization of law enforcement” You mean wearing scary pouches on the outside of our vests? You mean the armoured vehicles used to rescue victims while taking fire?

JUSTICE for business owners that the rioters destroyed and enough of hearing of ONE PERSON now, while the REST OF THEM are destroying other peoples property. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR CRIMINALS rioting. JUSTICEFORBUSINESSOWNERS JUSTICETOSTOPRIOTERS

A movement to catch on? GUESS HOW MANY MOVEMENTS there have been on cops because of black people.....LETS GO WAY BACK in time. BAD COPS need to be charged ASAP for their crimes and investigations against them should be done CIVILLY....not by their own.

1. Regis tried to jump to another balcony, was mentally ill, prevented the police from helping her, and all this was leaked to joe warmington because the family’s lies were causing riots. A social worker can’t respond because there were 911 calls saying a knife was involved.

This was one of the most brain dead, irresponsible, uneducated, garbage heap of “journalism” i’ve ever read. Where to start...

Tell the “peaceful protesters “ to remain peaceful. Not stealing , not killing fellow citizens and police, not burning the city down. If the “peaceful protesters” could do that then there would be no need for police to do anything other then stand there and watch or join movement

Holy shit. is now Vice media lol. 🤡 🌎

Probably the stupidest idea I've heard in a long time. Another point, just because a few screamers on the left are saying this is now a mainstream idea does not make it so. I have seen no poles supporting this idea been waved about so I'm pretty sure it's not a popular idea.

Getting rid of the good police is insane! They leave, you will have chaos, more chaos then we have now that I guarantee. The people suggesting this are out to destroy society

Click bait here! Get your cliiiiiiick bait!

And the first time one of these civilian replacements for police officers get assaulted, stabbed, or murdered we will all realize how epically stupid we were for listening to people like Calum Marsh. Defunding the police isn’t just radical. It’s completely insane.

This article says we need to reimagine the institution. I say we start with the political system first. What say the rest of you?

Street justice is cheaper.

What a bunch of bull! Go find a piece of land and expirement with your drug fueled lawless society. I want no part of it.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

It tells you what the purpose is.... Lives matter? Please.... nobody cares.... at least clear agenda....

Apparently Marsh thinks that if the choice is between a young woman being shot by police and a social worker being stabbed by the same young woman with a knife, the social worker is going to take it for the team. And like it. cdnpoli

It would be more beneficial if we defund fake MSM

I’ve got an idea. Have socialists all live in one region without policing. Good luck with that. We’ll all be watching. It should make for some great TV.

Pure idiocy but maybe some room to pursue policies of de-escation, containment not confrontation by police. The situations described all have potential to turn violent. If city worker, social worker, substance abuse professional, I’d be telling Marsh to go screw himself. cdnpoli

Go ahead...defund the police...”then who you gonna call - ghostbusters”?

Defund the media too.

The same people screaming that police should be defund are the same people that believe that only police and military should have guns.

Sounds like a stupid idea if you ask me.

you guys make it sound like the police in Canada are akin to the Stasi. let's see the impact on organized crime stats when we start looking to communities to police themselves. good luck with that!

Never happen in Canada

Quarantine the healthy, expose the vulnerable, release criminals under the guise of a plandemic, repeatedly call your citizens racists and encourage snitching, cancel parliament, encourage protests, cover your face, dictate a gun ban, call to defund the police. Media is complicit

patrickbrownont BonnieCrombie hope your listening. Your body cam reforms are not good enough. It’s time to defund the police. Do it or get voted out. Choose.

Cut funding until they clean house and change the culture within the organization.

This is a really great idea but I can see some issues. But sending mental health professionals instead of police officers to respond to a mental health crisis is a really good start.

The weak like these media types cant defend themselves or their homes, they aren’t capable, they’ll be the first to be robbed or assaulted . Delusional weaklings like this should stay quiet

This only works if people can owns all and any guns of choice, within reason, and have property rights.

But there's not enough jobs bouncing at nightclubs to employ these assholes once they lose their jobs as cops. 😂

jamespmcleod The goal isn't to have no police at all. It's to have the proper people responding to the proper situations. Why are people getting killed during wellness checks? Maybe a psychologist should respond instead, with police on call as backup?

Yes!!! Bring back the vigilante movement. I’d love to patrol my own streets with my AR

It isn’t. No person that isn’t a blithering idiot takes this idea seriously...which explains your attachment to thr idea.

Im willing to trade police for legalized militias and firearm rights.

If it is decided to go this route, we should start with a pilot project in a new community. The residents of that community will be Marsh, Vitale and their ilk. We’ll also import some of the bad kids from some of the nastier neighbourhoods. Leet’s see how well Marsh & Co do.

Defunding the Police is an idea akin to Communism in politics. It's a utopian idea that will not work because criminals will take advantage.

While we are at it, can we defund liberal arts departments in universities? DefundLiberalArts FaithGoldy punditclass

It’s ok. Ever since criminals turned their guns in.... whistles are just fine

whats your address? you probably live a pretty affluent area, can you post a hydro bill or something with your name on it, it’s ok you don’t have to worry about criminals coming to your neighbourhood.

Systemic racism is a myth when it comes to policing. Policing is driven by crime stats, not race.

So, we're just supposed to police our own neighborhoods with baseball bats?

I' m with U.Racism in the west was made by big distractive liberal, marxism social factory designed by too much rich men to make chaos to fish in dirty water.. The cost of the this operation take the most poor sheep

One of the most half baked pie in the sky ideas I have ever heard.

If a black person does a crime the police will look the other way now. Especially in certain neighborhoods will be turned into real hell.

This is an experiment best done in big cities. Give it a year pilot and see if all of the societal ills spoken of here (homelessness, drug abuse, mental health etc) have been reduced and how it has effected public safety and security.

This stupid hipster name reminded me of the good ol’ “Guys named Todd” video, from George Carlin.

Libertarians have been saying this for decades. About time for the rest of you to come around.

“Calum”. I bet he’s a Toronto hipster with neon-coloured shoes and overly-tight clothing, oft delighted in his own metropolitanism. Dude, we need the police. Police needs all the funding we can afford. If you don’t want a functioning police, Mogadishu is a plane ticket away.

Refunding cops in the middle of riots and at a time most countries, economies and people are on their knees is a real bad idea. People will just protect themselves......

Defund all areas of government

Perfect. Progressives have already caused untold suffering within the black community by prohibiting police from interacting with gang bangers until after they have shot a young man of color. Now, not happy with daytime gun battles in DT Toronto during rush hour they want to more

Is this like the world vs the police? crazy. go home.

Well I’m not a big supporter of guns but maybe I should change my mind and buy one now. Looks like I’m going to need it to protect myself as the world had gone insane! This is ludicrous!

Defund the police and then have no police. This is insane.

'The United States — and of course Canada — has a problem with racism and criminal justice. The solution isn’t reform. It’s to defund the police' This is debateable

And this ....

“It requires seriously rethinking our assumptions around law and order, community, justice and civic responsibility” So take away law & order. What happens when “civic responsibility” is ignored or 💩 upon by members of community?

Sure, Calum. Sure. And as for Vitale, these angry ideologues thinking they know it all would be the first one's screaming for protection if a hair on their fragile heads was ever touched or offended. Total rubbish. Completely asinine.

The described policy is not really “defunding”. It is a reallocation of funding, which is perhaps helpful, but secondary to a desperately needed overhaul of recruiting, training, and deployment standards.

Next up: The WILD WILD WEST

Calum. Imagine if there were no police for 30 days in Toronto. Thoughts?

Interesting. The big hole in the argument of a trained city worker responding to a heated situation is when that client has a weapon, or hurts them or someone. Sometimes people do bad things. Also, police everywhere are hiring. Sign up and be the change if u can.

Privatize the police. Repeal the firearms act and let people form local militia. State sponsored law enforcement are poorly incentivized and have no duty to protect you or your property. Private police and local militia have both.

Defund police but then those same people are shouting body camera's for all!?! It's upside down illogical thinking.

Defunding police would mean less police, criminals would love that!

You need to title this as “opinion”.

Please, lucid. That’s just down right moronic

Defunding the police is such a ridiculous request that is delegitimizes the entire movement. Whatever that may be.

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